I have just discovered Dr Dale Martin on You Tube and can’t wait to read his latest book. A long time student I have become disillusioned lately. I would like to know how you keep an open believers mind. I too like church and contemplation
The Search for Truth
Most people love listening to Prof. Dale Martin, including myself, because he is so avuncular in appearance and sound. Being 6 years older than (young) Dale I can appreciate his endeavors for normal thinking. So, in reply to the youngster Dale, I wrote this little piece of literature for him and others to comment on and hopefully it will make it onto my website in a few months.
The Search for Truth
This is more or less a true account expanded to take in the teaching points that were once made clear but which were forgotten and abused by many charlatans who have had their hands in the till so to speak!
Some people, mostly born again Christians, take the following Biblical passage as some sort of proof for their superiority amongst mankind as the goal for mankind is Salvation. Hence, when a very narrow approach is applied to John (12:24-32), it makes a beautiful sentiment from the mouth of Jesus (pbh) appear to certain individuals that the Christ is a very restrictive, insensitive being except for those whose heart and mind are indeed very miniscule.
To counteract this, I use the following marks { } to expand the meaning of Jesus’ teachings to be inclusive to those humans seeking salvation in any religion that has the concept of the ONE GOD as the top priority:
From the Gospel of John:
Most assuredly, I {Jesus} say to you {mankind – but here specifically to his followers and what is good for the goose is good for the gander!}, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies {which it is supposed to do in showing obedience to its CREATOR}, it remains alone {basically worthless}; but if it dies {and follows the normal creative pathway given by its CREATOR}, it produces much grain {gets much Baraka from ALLAH}.
He who loves his life {so much as to cherish the worldly things over right guidance} will lose it, and he who hates his life {serves with true humble distinction} in this world will keep it for Eternal Life.
If anyone serves me, let him follow me {my pathway and dictates including the one who will come after me as I have prophesied}; and where I am, there my servant will be also. If anyone serves me {IN TRUTH}, my FATHER will honor him {with Paradise and on him shall be no fear}.
“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘FATHER, save me from this {tormenting} hour’ {where I shall be disrespected, beaten and scorn and spit heaped upon me} But for this purpose I came to this hour {to bear the brunt of their humiliating me – the willing SIGN unto mankind for it has been promised by my LORD that I shall conquer}.
FATHER, {I} glorify YOUR NAME.” Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both Glorified IT and will Glorify IT again {when MY SERVENT {Muhammad} shall come}.”
Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to him.”
Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of me, but for your {remembrance} sake {so reflect back to this point and keep your faith refreshed}.
Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will {eventually} draw all {true believing} people to myself” {on being established on my Second Coming as all true believers will have believed in me (Quran)}. John (12:24-32)
All of these things above have been talked about from the various records spanning all the true Testaments and found in my various writings. From Deuteronomy, Isaiah and other prophets, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the continuation of the Old Testament under new management from the last Jewish prophet (Jesus) with special emphasis coming from the Gospel of Luke, the Gospel of John, the Book of Hebrews, some of the Letters of John, some of Paul’s writings, the Book of Revelation, the Book of Acts and most importantly from the Protected BOOK itself (the Quran) and true hadith material.
Proof demands consistency and the ability to understand how other cultures see and translate the same problems in their own GOD-given way. Loyalty to the TRUTH is far greater than loyalty to a ‘sect’ or belief system set up by mere mortals made of clay {false guides – preachers, ministers, priests, imams, and other influencers}.
Interpretation without guile is really everything! So, it kind of depends on how a person’s soul can see what is called Scripture. What was taken out, what was added in will become known on what is called THE LAST DAY OF JUDGEMENT!
True Scripture equals records that are uniform in content even though the language and its usage may differ across cultures. For example, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim have presented things handed down from antiquity like the concept of there is truly and only ONE GOD.
The following hadith has been tested in my writings by ALL the various Scriptures from the ‘People of the BOOK’ including the Dead Sea Scrolls and has been found to be completely accurate!!!!! People may rail (to criticize severely or angrily especially for personal failings) against this idea and where is their proof but something poorly taken out of context or manufactured in their own heads:
Narrated Abu Huraira that the Messenger of ALLAH said, “By HIM in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief) {before his Term of Appointment is up}, he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire”. (Muslim)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to THE ONE GOD), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Quran (3:85)
What makes the search for truth so difficult amongst the various religious groups is that most people are invested in their own belief system as to what supposedly makes them feel comfortable NOT in what is really correct. But when people break outside their self-made prison walls, they are forced to think and this sometimes becomes too much of a struggle for many.
As the Quran says: Say: “Everyone acts according to his own disposition {whispering secret agenda} but your LORD (WHO is the Real GOD AND DETERMINER OF ONE’S FATE) knows best who it is that is best on the WAY {correct pathway}.” Q (17: 84)
Jesus said: “And in vain {do} they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men {self-styled church councils and edicts and NOT of GOD}”. Matthew (15:9)
They take their priests and their anchorites {meaning religious leaders} to be their lords in derogation of ALLAH, and (they take as their lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One ALLAH: there is no god but HE. Praise and Glory be to HIM: (Far is HE) from having the partners they associate (with HIM). Quran (9:31)
We {people who actually believe in a ONE GOD AND ONE DEVELOPMENTAL MESSAGE} believe in ALLAH, and the Revelation given to us, and to Abraham {and his seed} Isma’il {and} Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their LORD: We make no difference between one and another of them {in their philosophical content}. Quran (2:136)
Narrated Abu Huraira that the Messenger of ALLAH said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross {represented by false doctrines}, kill the pigs {represented by those resisting his GOD-given leadership of the paradise on Earth}, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it” (as charitable gifts). (Bukhari)
Galvanizing these ‘warnings/positive declarations’ (depending on what side of the religious fence one is standing on, together with the notion of the practice what you preach concept comes a warning from the Quran and Paul about taking the above subject lightly:
They are those who deny the {REAL} Signs and Evidences of their LORD and the meeting with HIM (in the Hereafter {as to Judgment}). So their works are in VAIN and on the Day of Resurrection, WE shall assign NO weight for them {with the result that they will have to enter the Hell-Fire}. Quran (18:105)
“YOU HAVE MET THIS FATE because you rejoiced on the earth in things OTHER than the TRUTH, AND THEN EXULTED IN IT {while pushing out the real realities of our true purpose of living on this planet}.” Quran (40:75)
Also, according to Paul in the New Testament:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness {found} in them that perish; because they DID NOT receive {believe in or fight for} the love of the truth {SO} that they might be saved.
AND FOR THIS REASON {contempt for GOD’s TRUTH} GOD shall send {upon} them STRONG DELUSION that they should believe {in} a lie {focus not on doing what is right FOR THE SOUL- the real food for the soul}
That they all might be damned who didn’t believe the truth {OR EVEN SHOW SIGNS THAT THEIR HEART CARRED ABOUT IT} but had pleasure in unrighteousness {took their comfort in doing other than the truthful WAY}.
2 Thessalonians (2: 10-12)
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in ALLAH has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, which never breaks. And ALLAH hears and knows all things. Quran (2:256)
I have just discovered Dr Dale Martin on You Tube and can’t wait to read his latest book. A long time student I have become disillusioned lately. I would like to know how you keep an open believers mind. I too like church and contemplation
The Search for Truth
Most people love listening to Prof. Dale Martin, including myself, because he is so avuncular in appearance and sound. Being 6 years older than (young) Dale I can appreciate his endeavors for normal thinking. So, in reply to the youngster Dale, I wrote this little piece of literature for him and others to comment on and hopefully it will make it onto my website in a few months.
The Search for Truth
This is more or less a true account expanded to take in the teaching points that were once made clear but which were forgotten and abused by many charlatans who have had their hands in the till so to speak!
Some people, mostly born again Christians, take the following Biblical passage as some sort of proof for their superiority amongst mankind as the goal for mankind is Salvation. Hence, when a very narrow approach is applied to John (12:24-32), it makes a beautiful sentiment from the mouth of Jesus (pbh) appear to certain individuals that the Christ is a very restrictive, insensitive being except for those whose heart and mind are indeed very miniscule.
To counteract this, I use the following marks { } to expand the meaning of Jesus’ teachings to be inclusive to those humans seeking salvation in any religion that has the concept of the ONE GOD as the top priority:
From the Gospel of John:
Most assuredly, I {Jesus} say to you {mankind – but here specifically to his followers and what is good for the goose is good for the gander!}, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies {which it is supposed to do in showing obedience to its CREATOR}, it remains alone {basically worthless}; but if it dies {and follows the normal creative pathway given by its CREATOR}, it produces much grain {gets much Baraka from ALLAH}.
He who loves his life {so much as to cherish the worldly things over right guidance} will lose it, and he who hates his life {serves with true humble distinction} in this world will keep it for Eternal Life.
If anyone serves me, let him follow me {my pathway and dictates including the one who will come after me as I have prophesied}; and where I am, there my servant will be also. If anyone serves me {IN TRUTH}, my FATHER will honor him {with Paradise and on him shall be no fear}.
“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘FATHER, save me from this {tormenting} hour’ {where I shall be disrespected, beaten and scorn and spit heaped upon me} But for this purpose I came to this hour {to bear the brunt of their humiliating me – the willing SIGN unto mankind for it has been promised by my LORD that I shall conquer}.
FATHER, {I} glorify YOUR NAME.” Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both Glorified IT and will Glorify IT again {when MY SERVENT {Muhammad} shall come}.”
Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to him.”
Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of me, but for your {remembrance} sake {so reflect back to this point and keep your faith refreshed}.
Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will {eventually} draw all {true believing} people to myself” {on being established on my Second Coming as all true believers will have believed in me (Quran)}. John (12:24-32)
All of these things above have been talked about from the various records spanning all the true Testaments and found in my various writings. From Deuteronomy, Isaiah and other prophets, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the continuation of the Old Testament under new management from the last Jewish prophet (Jesus) with special emphasis coming from the Gospel of Luke, the Gospel of John, the Book of Hebrews, some of the Letters of John, some of Paul’s writings, the Book of Revelation, the Book of Acts and most importantly from the Protected BOOK itself (the Quran) and true hadith material.
Proof demands consistency and the ability to understand how other cultures see and translate the same problems in their own GOD-given way. Loyalty to the TRUTH is far greater than loyalty to a ‘sect’ or belief system set up by mere mortals made of clay {false guides – preachers, ministers, priests, imams, and other influencers}.
Interpretation without guile is really everything! So, it kind of depends on how a person’s soul can see what is called Scripture. What was taken out, what was added in will become known on what is called THE LAST DAY OF JUDGEMENT!
True Scripture equals records that are uniform in content even though the language and its usage may differ across cultures. For example, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim have presented things handed down from antiquity like the concept of there is truly and only ONE GOD.
The following hadith has been tested in my writings by ALL the various Scriptures from the ‘People of the BOOK’ including the Dead Sea Scrolls and has been found to be completely accurate!!!!! People may rail (to criticize severely or angrily especially for personal failings) against this idea and where is their proof but something poorly taken out of context or manufactured in their own heads:
Narrated Abu Huraira that the Messenger of ALLAH said, “By HIM in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief) {before his Term of Appointment is up}, he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire”. (Muslim)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to THE ONE GOD), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Quran (3:85)
What makes the search for truth so difficult amongst the various religious groups is that most people are invested in their own belief system as to what supposedly makes them feel comfortable NOT in what is really correct. But when people break outside their self-made prison walls, they are forced to think and this sometimes becomes too much of a struggle for many.
As the Quran says: Say: “Everyone acts according to his own disposition {whispering secret agenda} but your LORD (WHO is the Real GOD AND DETERMINER OF ONE’S FATE) knows best who it is that is best on the WAY {correct pathway}.” Q (17: 84)
Jesus said: “And in vain {do} they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men {self-styled church councils and edicts and NOT of GOD}”. Matthew (15:9)
They take their priests and their anchorites {meaning religious leaders} to be their lords in derogation of ALLAH, and (they take as their lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One ALLAH: there is no god but HE. Praise and Glory be to HIM: (Far is HE) from having the partners they associate (with HIM). Quran (9:31)
We {people who actually believe in a ONE GOD AND ONE DEVELOPMENTAL MESSAGE} believe in ALLAH, and the Revelation given to us, and to Abraham {and his seed} Isma’il {and} Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their LORD: We make no difference between one and another of them {in their philosophical content}. Quran (2:136)
Narrated Abu Huraira that the Messenger of ALLAH said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross {represented by false doctrines}, kill the pigs {represented by those resisting his GOD-given leadership of the paradise on Earth}, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it” (as charitable gifts). (Bukhari)
Galvanizing these ‘warnings/positive declarations’ (depending on what side of the religious fence one is standing on, together with the notion of the practice what you preach concept comes a warning from the Quran and Paul about taking the above subject lightly:
They are those who deny the {REAL} Signs and Evidences of their LORD and the meeting with HIM (in the Hereafter {as to Judgment}). So their works are in VAIN and on the Day of Resurrection, WE shall assign NO weight for them {with the result that they will have to enter the Hell-Fire}. Quran (18:105)
“YOU HAVE MET THIS FATE because you rejoiced on the earth in things OTHER than the TRUTH, AND THEN EXULTED IN IT {while pushing out the real realities of our true purpose of living on this planet}.” Quran (40:75)
Also, according to Paul in the New Testament:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness {found} in them that perish; because they DID NOT receive {believe in or fight for} the love of the truth {SO} that they might be saved.
AND FOR THIS REASON {contempt for GOD’s TRUTH} GOD shall send {upon} them STRONG DELUSION that they should believe {in} a lie {focus not on doing what is right FOR THE SOUL- the real food for the soul}
That they all might be damned who didn’t believe the truth {OR EVEN SHOW SIGNS THAT THEIR HEART CARRED ABOUT IT} but had pleasure in unrighteousness {took their comfort in doing other than the truthful WAY}.
2 Thessalonians (2: 10-12)
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in ALLAH has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, which never breaks. And ALLAH hears and knows all things. Quran (2:256)