I like and respect brother Paul’s viewpoints and he does allow some lattitude between speakers.I want to comment to Paul directly and I hope he can offer some advice to me by having someone review my electronic works which are quite revolutionary is aspect but not really unexpected. It would be nice to see my 3 books in print so as to bring the clearer understanding of the Non-crucifixion about as well as the knowledge of the Christ-soul as it pertains to us and to the future.
So here is a little piece or writing I did to answer Paul concerning Paul of Tarsus. If this stimulates the discussion please contact me at tyrexsara590@gmail.com.
A favor is needed to those who can carry it out. Seemingly, it has proven difficult for me to get a hold of Paul Williams of Blogging Theology for any number of reasons including my own ineptitude with electronic media.
So, I want to give a reply to his video concerning Apostle Paul’s peculiar beliefs and his statement concerning Jesus’ supposed crucifixion found in the so-called letters of Paul 1 Corinthians chapter 15. This from the Video Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. Or didn’t he? My email is tyrexsara590@gmail.com.
In short, the logic for the following must be airtight such that it will be difficult to assail for a logical person:
Young Saul studied under one of the greats (Gamaliel) so that makes Saul kind of like a Rhodes Scholar in a way. He is an admitted Pharisee of a staunch position and he doesn’t believe that the ‘real’ Messiah can be hurt (Psalms 91:106-115) and because Jesus was ‘hurt’ by the stake according to Jewish tradition, logically he (Jesus) would be classified as a false messiah or so the logic goes!
However, a supposed conversion occurred to him on the road to Damascus and he was healed by a believer having better and sounder logic than himself. So, he went into the Arabian Deseret located in Syria to get a grip on things.
When he made his eventual way to Jerusalem, he found a few of the knowledgeable ones who had a firsthand account of the happenings of the Master.
He didn’t come to Jerusalem to visit an outdoor café! He got scrutinized as a former enemy should and he had to make a good account of himself. These people of the Book have their own ‘gifts’ given unto them as every Ummah has its own peculiar ‘gifts’ according to Islam. In short the people judged that Paul and his demeanor was sound in his methods and that he was a true believer.
And he preached with ZEAL but like a Benedict Arnold, he eventually became a hated man whom the Jewish leadership often plotted against. That is natural because Paul contradicted them and their scriptural evaluation.
When the knowledge came down around 50 CE that there was going to be a two track system of preaching Paul ventured into the area on more than just Jews first. This is only natural as the real Messiah was going to be the Messiah for those who truly believed and not for those who practiced deceit!
Now the controversy of his preaching style has some merit but to believe that he was an enemy to the truth slanders both him and the hard working and earnest believers who would not be so gullible as to allow a ‘monster’ spreading lies in their midst. Suffice it to say that Paul is going to be attacked at every turn due to his apparent traitor-like stance against the ruling Jews just like the hatred one would show against Benedict Arnold for what he apparently did!
OK, now the meat and potatoes! Paul could not have made the statements supposedly attributed to him by Paul Williams viz the New Testament even though they are found in the New Testament letter of Paul which supposedly guarantees Christs suffering and crucifixion according to NONEXISTANT OLD TESTAMENT VERSES as rightfully pointed out by Paul Williams himself!
Do we know who made these statements? I believe we now do!!! First Prophet Muhammad (pbh) is a prophet for all of mankind and not just Arabs. Therefore, his declaration concerning the horns of Satan shall come from the EAST or arise from the EAST must be looked at carefully under a human-type setting not just an Arab setting!
There was a man who came from the EAST bearing gifts so that he could be a respected member of the newly forming Christian Religion in around 140 CE. This man was a devil and he proved it over and over again. His name was Marcion and he came West bearing gifts.
He brought a FORGED GOSPEL that was actually a mutilated Gospel of Luke which he claimed to be his own. He also brought some Letters from Paul which were in bad shape but which he ‘graciously’ would restore. Ha! A known forger is about to work!
Marcion is known for slamming the original Disciples of Jesus as being idiots and ignorant fools but not Paul! Marcion is claiming a bond between him and Paul and the wise should pay attention to his philosophy which included the acknowledgement of two gods which is NOT MONOTHEISM!
It was only after Marcion was shown the door unceremoniously in around 144 CE that Justin Martyr could go to work and prove beyond a doubt that Christ was really crucified and thereby defeating the corrupt Gnostics who held to this ruinous two god theory! This would be about 2 years or so after Marcion was excommunicated!
And thanks to the Quran (3:55 – the victory of Monotheism over Dualism) we have conformation that the ‘best’ side won in that titanic struggle for what Christianity and its own Book would look like. None of this two-god stuff would make the grade!!! At least Monotheism in some tainted form could be held in place!
Now as for Paul, being a wildcard type of go-it-alone wahoo that doesn’t seem to be the case! Since his declaration denying the crucifixion occurred in 53 or so CE by his famous statement of We preach christ crucified as a STUMBLING BLOCK to the JEWS and as FOOLISHNESS TO THE GENTILES such that an explanation would suffice but fools go off by themselves and manufacture their own inventions.
Some would say that Paul has 12 more years to pull a fast one but more than half of that time he will be in prison or under house arrest. So that would crimp his supposed heretical style.
The newly formed study groups from any preacher would be eager to visit Jerusalem and spread the joy by sending representatives. Also, to have delegations coming to Jerusalem would be an honor and an enlightenment.
We can’t forget that James the half-brother of Jesus along with very prominent dignitaries would be intent on seeing ‘church’ growth and in the proper context. So, before 70 CE or the destruction of the Temple. Some form of communications must be taking place concerning any problems that might arise.
Who is going after bad-boy Paul now? Are they leaving him to poison the flock when he can so easily be taken to task! And why are the antagonistic Jews of high position trying to ruin his day? Why did they kill the prophets in the first place except for a misplaced ZEAL from Satan!
Luke, our historian and Presbyter (he of the 70) writes what I consider the non-crucifixion Gospel and mentions the victory of Islam in Acts Chapter 3 (22-23) featuring the ‘other’ branch of the Semitic peoples. This later part is substantiated by hadiths literature and the Quran as well as The Book of Revelation and the Book of Hebrews.
Of course Paul is no saint but one would think that the early church (50-85 CE) would express their dismay and wroth against him if he went off script instead of letting things slide out of control if he was that so-called dangerous and evil man!
We also know that being a leading type Jewish candidate for the spreading of Jewish fame and fortune would win him a heartfelt gratitude. Instead, Paul goes on the attack which is blasphemy to the ruling elite as to them being so stupid as not to recognize the real Messiah!
That will not win Paul any friends among the wealthy and influential and like John the Baptist (pbh) he will pay for it with his life!
Now as to our self-proclaimed historian Luke, his job was not so easy. In many cases he had to take down second and third hand reports concerning Paul when he started his historical document.
Being that he did not have a plane to travel around in and that getting firsthand accounts from people who had passed on (martyred or otherwise) was not an easy task. Hence, it is only natural to find some discrepancies in his accounts concerning some of Paul’s remembrances as any psychologist will testify to.
This is not a vindication that everything in the Acts is totally correct. But do unto others as you would have them do unto you seems like good advice. That is, respect for an approved ‘record’ should put people of like mind in an approved frame of mind concerning your records!
So, we have a known forger at work (Marcion) who acts like a weasel when it comes to trying to steal the show by presenting falsehoods to increase his so-called influence amongst the ruling elite of Christendom but gratefully, he is shown the door as an excommunicated fool and forger that he really was!
Was it easy to forge some of Paul’s writings? The answer is yes due to the fact that although Jesus (pbh) was never put on that wooden cross, he was crucified in the flesh as to his intent and purpose of being the INCARNATE (reincarnated) Word in his struggles to present the truth. This statement has nothing to do with Jesus being killed or crucified on any piece of wood!
Jesus (pbh) was a hard working soul with a mission of overcoming the world so to speak. Being guided ‘all the days of his life’ by his LORD, he won through the day to become that blessed soul, the MESSIAH and the rightful one to open the door for the most blessed Prophet of Islam to come!
Besides this, he is a Sign to mankind in so many ways. First and foremost he is a man of sorrows that held tightly to the ‘ROPE’ sent down by his LORD. In this way, he becomes more of a human figure than just by taking him as a privileged character who will not be hurt by his own people (Quran 5:110) and who seemingly worked only 3 years of intensive labor but had all the goodies of miracles directed his way!
Say, (O believers), “We have believed in ALLAH and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their LORD. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims (in submission) to HIM.” Quran (2:136)
Salam to all,
Ahmed Daud Ismail
I like and respect brother Paul’s viewpoints and he does allow some lattitude between speakers.I want to comment to Paul directly and I hope he can offer some advice to me by having someone review my electronic works which are quite revolutionary is aspect but not really unexpected. It would be nice to see my 3 books in print so as to bring the clearer understanding of the Non-crucifixion about as well as the knowledge of the Christ-soul as it pertains to us and to the future.
So here is a little piece or writing I did to answer Paul concerning Paul of Tarsus. If this stimulates the discussion please contact me at tyrexsara590@gmail.com.
A favor is needed to those who can carry it out. Seemingly, it has proven difficult for me to get a hold of Paul Williams of Blogging Theology for any number of reasons including my own ineptitude with electronic media.
So, I want to give a reply to his video concerning Apostle Paul’s peculiar beliefs and his statement concerning Jesus’ supposed crucifixion found in the so-called letters of Paul 1 Corinthians chapter 15. This from the Video Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. Or didn’t he? My email is tyrexsara590@gmail.com.
In short, the logic for the following must be airtight such that it will be difficult to assail for a logical person:
Young Saul studied under one of the greats (Gamaliel) so that makes Saul kind of like a Rhodes Scholar in a way. He is an admitted Pharisee of a staunch position and he doesn’t believe that the ‘real’ Messiah can be hurt (Psalms 91:106-115) and because Jesus was ‘hurt’ by the stake according to Jewish tradition, logically he (Jesus) would be classified as a false messiah or so the logic goes!
However, a supposed conversion occurred to him on the road to Damascus and he was healed by a believer having better and sounder logic than himself. So, he went into the Arabian Deseret located in Syria to get a grip on things.
When he made his eventual way to Jerusalem, he found a few of the knowledgeable ones who had a firsthand account of the happenings of the Master.
He didn’t come to Jerusalem to visit an outdoor café! He got scrutinized as a former enemy should and he had to make a good account of himself. These people of the Book have their own ‘gifts’ given unto them as every Ummah has its own peculiar ‘gifts’ according to Islam. In short the people judged that Paul and his demeanor was sound in his methods and that he was a true believer.
And he preached with ZEAL but like a Benedict Arnold, he eventually became a hated man whom the Jewish leadership often plotted against. That is natural because Paul contradicted them and their scriptural evaluation.
When the knowledge came down around 50 CE that there was going to be a two track system of preaching Paul ventured into the area on more than just Jews first. This is only natural as the real Messiah was going to be the Messiah for those who truly believed and not for those who practiced deceit!
Now the controversy of his preaching style has some merit but to believe that he was an enemy to the truth slanders both him and the hard working and earnest believers who would not be so gullible as to allow a ‘monster’ spreading lies in their midst. Suffice it to say that Paul is going to be attacked at every turn due to his apparent traitor-like stance against the ruling Jews just like the hatred one would show against Benedict Arnold for what he apparently did!
OK, now the meat and potatoes! Paul could not have made the statements supposedly attributed to him by Paul Williams viz the New Testament even though they are found in the New Testament letter of Paul which supposedly guarantees Christs suffering and crucifixion according to NONEXISTANT OLD TESTAMENT VERSES as rightfully pointed out by Paul Williams himself!
Do we know who made these statements? I believe we now do!!! First Prophet Muhammad (pbh) is a prophet for all of mankind and not just Arabs. Therefore, his declaration concerning the horns of Satan shall come from the EAST or arise from the EAST must be looked at carefully under a human-type setting not just an Arab setting!
There was a man who came from the EAST bearing gifts so that he could be a respected member of the newly forming Christian Religion in around 140 CE. This man was a devil and he proved it over and over again. His name was Marcion and he came West bearing gifts.
He brought a FORGED GOSPEL that was actually a mutilated Gospel of Luke which he claimed to be his own. He also brought some Letters from Paul which were in bad shape but which he ‘graciously’ would restore. Ha! A known forger is about to work!
Marcion is known for slamming the original Disciples of Jesus as being idiots and ignorant fools but not Paul! Marcion is claiming a bond between him and Paul and the wise should pay attention to his philosophy which included the acknowledgement of two gods which is NOT MONOTHEISM!
It was only after Marcion was shown the door unceremoniously in around 144 CE that Justin Martyr could go to work and prove beyond a doubt that Christ was really crucified and thereby defeating the corrupt Gnostics who held to this ruinous two god theory! This would be about 2 years or so after Marcion was excommunicated!
And thanks to the Quran (3:55 – the victory of Monotheism over Dualism) we have conformation that the ‘best’ side won in that titanic struggle for what Christianity and its own Book would look like. None of this two-god stuff would make the grade!!! At least Monotheism in some tainted form could be held in place!
Now as for Paul, being a wildcard type of go-it-alone wahoo that doesn’t seem to be the case! Since his declaration denying the crucifixion occurred in 53 or so CE by his famous statement of We preach christ crucified as a STUMBLING BLOCK to the JEWS and as FOOLISHNESS TO THE GENTILES such that an explanation would suffice but fools go off by themselves and manufacture their own inventions.
Some would say that Paul has 12 more years to pull a fast one but more than half of that time he will be in prison or under house arrest. So that would crimp his supposed heretical style.
The newly formed study groups from any preacher would be eager to visit Jerusalem and spread the joy by sending representatives. Also, to have delegations coming to Jerusalem would be an honor and an enlightenment.
We can’t forget that James the half-brother of Jesus along with very prominent dignitaries would be intent on seeing ‘church’ growth and in the proper context. So, before 70 CE or the destruction of the Temple. Some form of communications must be taking place concerning any problems that might arise.
Who is going after bad-boy Paul now? Are they leaving him to poison the flock when he can so easily be taken to task! And why are the antagonistic Jews of high position trying to ruin his day? Why did they kill the prophets in the first place except for a misplaced ZEAL from Satan!
Luke, our historian and Presbyter (he of the 70) writes what I consider the non-crucifixion Gospel and mentions the victory of Islam in Acts Chapter 3 (22-23) featuring the ‘other’ branch of the Semitic peoples. This later part is substantiated by hadiths literature and the Quran as well as The Book of Revelation and the Book of Hebrews.
Of course Paul is no saint but one would think that the early church (50-85 CE) would express their dismay and wroth against him if he went off script instead of letting things slide out of control if he was that so-called dangerous and evil man!
We also know that being a leading type Jewish candidate for the spreading of Jewish fame and fortune would win him a heartfelt gratitude. Instead, Paul goes on the attack which is blasphemy to the ruling elite as to them being so stupid as not to recognize the real Messiah!
That will not win Paul any friends among the wealthy and influential and like John the Baptist (pbh) he will pay for it with his life!
Now as to our self-proclaimed historian Luke, his job was not so easy. In many cases he had to take down second and third hand reports concerning Paul when he started his historical document.
Being that he did not have a plane to travel around in and that getting firsthand accounts from people who had passed on (martyred or otherwise) was not an easy task. Hence, it is only natural to find some discrepancies in his accounts concerning some of Paul’s remembrances as any psychologist will testify to.
This is not a vindication that everything in the Acts is totally correct. But do unto others as you would have them do unto you seems like good advice. That is, respect for an approved ‘record’ should put people of like mind in an approved frame of mind concerning your records!
So, we have a known forger at work (Marcion) who acts like a weasel when it comes to trying to steal the show by presenting falsehoods to increase his so-called influence amongst the ruling elite of Christendom but gratefully, he is shown the door as an excommunicated fool and forger that he really was!
Was it easy to forge some of Paul’s writings? The answer is yes due to the fact that although Jesus (pbh) was never put on that wooden cross, he was crucified in the flesh as to his intent and purpose of being the INCARNATE (reincarnated) Word in his struggles to present the truth. This statement has nothing to do with Jesus being killed or crucified on any piece of wood!
Jesus (pbh) was a hard working soul with a mission of overcoming the world so to speak. Being guided ‘all the days of his life’ by his LORD, he won through the day to become that blessed soul, the MESSIAH and the rightful one to open the door for the most blessed Prophet of Islam to come!
Besides this, he is a Sign to mankind in so many ways. First and foremost he is a man of sorrows that held tightly to the ‘ROPE’ sent down by his LORD. In this way, he becomes more of a human figure than just by taking him as a privileged character who will not be hurt by his own people (Quran 5:110) and who seemingly worked only 3 years of intensive labor but had all the goodies of miracles directed his way!
Say, (O believers), “We have believed in ALLAH and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their LORD. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims (in submission) to HIM.” Quran (2:136)
Salam to all,
Ahmed Daud Ismail