Where are the hypocrite christians? Have they not heard the news yet? Didn’t you hear about the israeli occupiers who want to take the houses of Palestinians in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah? Imagine that someone nocking your door telling you that you have to evacuate the house for other people! This is happening right now in Jerusalem!
I have not kept up the recent events, but googled a little about it now, per seeing this.
The State of Israel has been doing this kind of thing (taking over neighborhoods) for years in the “occupied territories” (west Bank, etc.) and I don’t agree with taking over neighborhoods and evicting people out of their homes.
There is a good book called “Blood Brothers” by Elias Chacour, who recounts his experience in the 1947-1948 events. (he is a Palestinian from Christian Byzantine background – from the Christians that go back to before Islam came with their Jihads and unjustly took over the area in the 630s and beyond. He is from the Melkite Greek Catholic Church.)
I recommend to everyone to read “Blood Brothers” by Elias Chacour.
I do not believe that 1948 was a fulfillment of prophesy.
Most conservative American Evangelicals would not like my view of this particular issue.
God calls both Jewish people and Palestinians (Muslims and nominal Christians who have a ritual Christian culture but are not necessarily born again) to repent and turn to Christ.
Acts 17:30-31
God is calling all men to repent, and He has furnished proof of judgement day, by raising Jesus from the dead.
30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Christ is above politics and Lord over all.
But, Israel does have a right to exist. The problem is that the Muslims never accepted even the 2 state plan of 1948 (seemingly, on the basis of those Hadith that say that fighting against the Jews is going to continue until the last day and there is a tree and a rock that says, “there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him” – these are evil and unjust texts in the Islamic religion – and part of the Hamas purpose and constitution); and since then it is a complicated mess – too much for any human being or politics to unravel. (The history of the surrounding Muslim countries involvement, the lack of the other countries helping the refugees that are still in refugee status and not allowed to integrate into those countries as citizens, the actions of the PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other groups have made the whole mess very complicated.)
Search for this title “If I don’t steal your house, someone else will steal it”, which shows an Israeli occupier who wants to take a woman’s house and justifies his horrible act by that statement!
It is exactly what Iran did in some neighborhoods in Baghdad and Aleppo.
“there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him” – “these are evil and unjust texts in the Islamic religion”
The context of the hadith is that this refers to the followers of the Anti-Christ.
And since you brought it up Ken and called our texts “evil and unjust” I have to ask, what do YOU think God or the “god-man” in your view will do to those that either explicitly follow the anti-christ or deny submission and worship to the one true God of Abraham(alayhis salam) during the second coming? I of course think I have a pretty good idea from your texts and commentaries but I want to hear from you personally.
Where does this Hadith mention anything about the followers of the Islamic idea of the Anti-Christ (Dajjal دجّال ) ?
Hamas uses these texts for justification for their terrorism NOW, so your point is moot on that.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 139
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 177
You did not answer – where in that text is anything about the followers of Dajjal ?
I skimmed over most of it. It is a human commentary that says basically “that is about the end times and followers of Anti-Christ”, etc. – not the text itself.
since Hamas does that NOW for decades, it demonstrates the wickedness in their hearts and also discredits your religion.
The explanations don’t pass the smell test, since there is much ethnic hatred of Jewish people (and modern violence ) in many Muslims hearts, because of these kinds of texts.
It’s not rocket science Ken. One text says that among the follower of Dajjal will be some Jews and another text says we will fight some Jews. To further link the hadiths se this paragraph from the article i linked-
Nevertheless, Imam Ibn Kathir seems to have considered this battle to be after the descent of Isa (AS) and connected it to narrations regarding the army of the Dajjal as he included these narrations in his book. He also cites Sahih Muslim 2897, Sahih Muslim 2921a, and Sahih Muslim 2922 consecutively in his Tafsir, which could imply that he thought they are connected chronologically with one filling in details missing in another. One can see why because they are all placed in “The Book of Tribulations and Portents of the Last Hour” in Sahih Muslim. Imam at-Tirmidhi places the same narration from Ibn ‘Umar (RA) in Sahih al-Bukhari (2925) in Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2236 under the chapter heading, “What Has Been Related About The Signs of the Dajjal”.
“since Hamas does that NOW for decades, it demonstrates the wickedness in their hearts and also discredits your religion.”
And how exactly does it discredit our religion?
“The explanations don’t pass the smell test, since there is much ethnic hatred of Jewish people (and modern violence ) in many Muslims hearts, because of these kinds of texts.”
And will you apply a similar standard to the history of Christian antisemitism based on your texts? The fact remains that regardless of the misuse of certain texts and ignoring of others by certain groups should not reflect of the faith as a whole.
The whole world witness the crimes of the criminal state of what they call Israel.
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An Intifada warrior
Where are the hypocrite christians? Have they not heard the news yet? Didn’t you hear about the israeli occupiers who want to take the houses of Palestinians in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah? Imagine that someone nocking your door telling you that you have to evacuate the house for other people! This is happening right now in Jerusalem!
Good question.
I have not kept up the recent events, but googled a little about it now, per seeing this.
The State of Israel has been doing this kind of thing (taking over neighborhoods) for years in the “occupied territories” (west Bank, etc.) and I don’t agree with taking over neighborhoods and evicting people out of their homes.
There is a good book called “Blood Brothers” by Elias Chacour, who recounts his experience in the 1947-1948 events. (he is a Palestinian from Christian Byzantine background – from the Christians that go back to before Islam came with their Jihads and unjustly took over the area in the 630s and beyond. He is from the Melkite Greek Catholic Church.)
I recommend to everyone to read “Blood Brothers” by Elias Chacour.
I do not believe that 1948 was a fulfillment of prophesy.
Most conservative American Evangelicals would not like my view of this particular issue.
God calls both Jewish people and Palestinians (Muslims and nominal Christians who have a ritual Christian culture but are not necessarily born again) to repent and turn to Christ.
Acts 17:30-31
God is calling all men to repent, and He has furnished proof of judgement day, by raising Jesus from the dead.
30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Christ is above politics and Lord over all.
But, Israel does have a right to exist. The problem is that the Muslims never accepted even the 2 state plan of 1948 (seemingly, on the basis of those Hadith that say that fighting against the Jews is going to continue until the last day and there is a tree and a rock that says, “there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him” – these are evil and unjust texts in the Islamic religion – and part of the Hamas purpose and constitution); and since then it is a complicated mess – too much for any human being or politics to unravel. (The history of the surrounding Muslim countries involvement, the lack of the other countries helping the refugees that are still in refugee status and not allowed to integrate into those countries as citizens, the actions of the PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other groups have made the whole mess very complicated.)
Please search on YouTube this “the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah.”
I want you to (see) what’s actually happening over there.
Search for this title “If I don’t steal your house, someone else will steal it”, which shows an Israeli occupier who wants to take a woman’s house and justifies his horrible act by that statement!
It is exactly what Iran did in some neighborhoods in Baghdad and Aleppo.
@Ken Temple
“there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him” – “these are evil and unjust texts in the Islamic religion”
The context of the hadith is that this refers to the followers of the Anti-Christ.
And since you brought it up Ken and called our texts “evil and unjust” I have to ask, what do YOU think God or the “god-man” in your view will do to those that either explicitly follow the anti-christ or deny submission and worship to the one true God of Abraham(alayhis salam) during the second coming? I of course think I have a pretty good idea from your texts and commentaries but I want to hear from you personally.
Where does this Hadith mention anything about the followers of the Islamic idea of the Anti-Christ (Dajjal دجّال ) ?
Hamas uses these texts for justification for their terrorism NOW, so your point is moot on that.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 139
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 177
@Ken Temple
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimsRespond/comments/awn371/the_there_is_a_jew_hiding_behind_me_so_kill_him/
You did not answer – where in that text is anything about the followers of Dajjal ?
I skimmed over most of it. It is a human commentary that says basically “that is about the end times and followers of Anti-Christ”, etc. – not the text itself.
since Hamas does that NOW for decades, it demonstrates the wickedness in their hearts and also discredits your religion.
The explanations don’t pass the smell test, since there is much ethnic hatred of Jewish people (and modern violence ) in many Muslims hearts, because of these kinds of texts.
@Ken Temple
It’s not rocket science Ken. One text says that among the follower of Dajjal will be some Jews and another text says we will fight some Jews. To further link the hadiths se this paragraph from the article i linked-
Nevertheless, Imam Ibn Kathir seems to have considered this battle to be after the descent of Isa (AS) and connected it to narrations regarding the army of the Dajjal as he included these narrations in his book. He also cites Sahih Muslim 2897, Sahih Muslim 2921a, and Sahih Muslim 2922 consecutively in his Tafsir, which could imply that he thought they are connected chronologically with one filling in details missing in another. One can see why because they are all placed in “The Book of Tribulations and Portents of the Last Hour” in Sahih Muslim. Imam at-Tirmidhi places the same narration from Ibn ‘Umar (RA) in Sahih al-Bukhari (2925) in Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2236 under the chapter heading, “What Has Been Related About The Signs of the Dajjal”.
“since Hamas does that NOW for decades, it demonstrates the wickedness in their hearts and also discredits your religion.”
And how exactly does it discredit our religion?
“The explanations don’t pass the smell test, since there is much ethnic hatred of Jewish people (and modern violence ) in many Muslims hearts, because of these kinds of texts.”
And will you apply a similar standard to the history of Christian antisemitism based on your texts? The fact remains that regardless of the misuse of certain texts and ignoring of others by certain groups should not reflect of the faith as a whole.
where is it in that text?
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926
It is all under the title, “Fighting in the Cause of Allah” (Jihad, جهاد
New York Post posted this headline with this picture.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1GbC0rUYAMi9Lj?format=jpg&name=large
However, when it realized that those who got killed including kids are actually Palestinians in Gaza, it just deleted it with this new headline with same picture!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1GbC04UUAMjEoc?format=jpg&name=medium
How evil!