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  1. Verily well, your allowed to leave Islam for Holy Quran says to you is your way and to me is my way. And myway is to remain Muslim all my life and if by being Ex-Muslim pleases you, I have nothing against you and I do respect your decision.

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  2. unless you make an intelligent comment I will delete this

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  3. So if Islam is wrong, then what is right? If the only religion that still has an authentic preserved book and teachings, and that calls for monotheism is wrong, then what else is right?

    Do you realize that this “tribe” teaching that you ascribe to Islam is non-existent? Yes, we see believers and disbelievers as distinct, but we always hope for the disbelievers return to Islam and we don’t over proud ourselves since we can fall into disbelief as well.

    Where does it say in Islam that just because one is a Muslim that he shouldn’t be prosecuted or that justice should be demanded in his case?

    If you believe they are “deeply rooted” in the faith, bring your proof from the Qur’an or hadiths about that. Can you check the literature? https://www.dorar.net/en/akhlaq Just because you need to keep the interests of the Muslim Community (ummah) as a whole doesn’t mean that you should disregard the rights of the kuffar, for in Islam even animals should be treated with mercy let alone human beings.

    Paul, I really don’t see why you’re leaving Islam because of hanging out with a bunch of criminals who happen to be Muslim, especially since it’s based on a (tragic, yes) physical experience of yours with some bad Muslims that seems to have really shaped and shaken your views.

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    • “Do you realize that this “tribe” teaching that you ascribe to Islam is non-existent?”

      I alluded to several hadith in the video.

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      • I addressed that in the subsequent questions:

        Yes, we see believers and disbelievers as distinct, but we always hope for the disbelievers return to Islam and we don’t over proud ourselves since we can fall into disbelief as well.

        Where does it say in Islam that just because one is a Muslim that he shouldn’t be prosecuted or that justice should be demanded in his case?

        Just because you need to keep the interests of the Muslim Community (ummah) as a whole doesn’t mean that you should disregard the rights of the kuffar, for in Islam even animals should be treated with mercy let alone human beings.

        Paul, I really don’t see why you’re leaving Islam because of hanging out with a bunch of criminals who happen to be Muslim, especially since it’s based on a (tragic, yes) physical experience of yours with some bad Muslims that seems to have really shaped and shaken your views.

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      • Also I’m very interested for you to answer my first question:

        So if Islam is wrong, then what is right? If the only religion that still has an authentic preserved book and teachings, and that calls for monotheism is wrong, then what else is right?

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      • Islam is more right than wrong especially on theology (Tawheed etc).

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      • Where does it say in Quran that hadith is revelation from God?

        I am very familiar with every single verse of 6236 verses of the Quran and I have not read even one verse that says hadith is revelation from God.

        Mr Paul Williams:

        “I alluded to several hadith in the video”

        Paul,

        God says in the Quran that the Quran is clear in many verses yet not one single verse.

        If you know even one single verse, than tell us that verse to substantiate your insinuation that oral narrations attributed to be from Prophet Muhammad which Prophet Muhammad nor almost all companions never felt any compunction to to preserve as a corpus is revelation from God according to Islam.

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      • I was a sunni Muslim and by definition they follow the authentic hadiths in Bukhari etc.

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      • @Paul

        You’re missing my point: There has to be a true religion. We can’t just go on with our lives without divine guidance otherwise we’re left with a moral relativistic anarchy. If it’s not Islam–the only religion with correct theology & and a preserved scripture–then what is it?

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      • “I was a sunni Muslim and by definition they follow the authentic hadiths in Bukhari etc.”

        Paul, then please say “I left Sunni Islam as defined according to many medieval scholars.”

        1. Many Sunnis do not take hadith to be revelations of God Almighty but simply the possible interpretation of the Prophet in his own capacity and with his saying possibly distorted to some degree as it passed from generation to generation until written down centuries later”

        2. According to some non-Sunnis, it is not even an issue, as they would not take such books like Bukhari to be legitimate.

        If the Prophet came to us, he would not know what you are talking about if he heard Bukhari, Abu Dawud, and various hadith terminology developed over centuries.

        The Sunni hadith methodology of tracing narrations to establish confidence is cute but it leaves out a host of spectacular problems of scant knowledge or narrator critics written on the majority of narrators centuries prior to them, the possibility of distortions of isnads and at times (not always, but at times) even isnad fabrication, the documented phenomena of exaggerated trajectory of an oral narration by illiterate people of the past, the problem that there are many verses of the Qur’an that may exclude recourse to source other than itself, the problem of the Prophet forbidding his companions to write his traditions –evidence that even 30 years after the Prophet, his chief scribe Zayd stated Prophet did not allow his statements to be recorded, and with the issue that any statements of the Prophet are in a specific tribal context of 7th century western Arabia which is very different from today.

        Paul, for you to complain about tribal aspects that Muslims recorded about oral narrations narrated by tribal people in a TRIBAL culture of 7th century Arabia is being attributed to someone who cannot defend himself if he really said what was passed down many decades removed from him is a little incoherent. What you are missing to some extent is that the Quran is so different from what is expected in a tribal culture.

        I am against Quran only view since I believe it is wrong to dismiss hadith altogether from a potential source of interpretation that is possibly to some extent from the Prophet in his unique situation where and his community were at repeated threats of extinction that we can try to extrapolate to our situation.

        Paul, your complaints with hadith would ring hollow to not just this brother who is a Quran only hadith but to millions of Sunni Muslims who don’t dismiss hadith but don’t take them as revelation.

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  4. This video explains recent issues to do with the demographic replacement of the English people:

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  5. Back to the root:
    The most important thing in Islam is telling people to worship One God Alone (Allah). That’s why Allah send His messenger to tell people about it.

    You said ” The tribe (Islam) is not for me”, so what is the “tribe / faith / religion / something” suit you?

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  6. One of my favourite Muslim channels decided to send me their good wishes

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    • I’ve just watched the video now and I have to admit you are spot on Paul. Also though I’m not a white British I have to admit a lot of patriotic traditional British values in this day and age cannot be defended due to the “cancel” culture and the accusation of racism etc that could destroy many innocent white people in the process who are not responsible for the race issues and this current damage to white individuals and community rights has to be dealt with. Advocating for the PRESERVATION of harmless British traditions is NOT RACISM but is being presented as such. And it gets worse when certain non-white citizens of all faiths and non-faiths exploit this.
      Even in my many personal experiences I have now witnessed amazing white people with no bad characters suffer consequences for things they are not responsible for (a form of collective punishment) in society whilst simultaneously there are certain black and Asian individuals with the nastiest attitude and vile outlook in life who are unnecessarily elevated to higher positions just for their ethnicity. This “special” treatment needs to stop because a lot of individuals are not hired for competence and capabilities but rather for their appearance and they don’t need to work hard for it as they can continue to be the abomination they are as long as they fit the identity of certain so-called liberals and are not “senior white males” category.
      Of course, you did not have time to cover every major topic in this video but it also must be said, this is the age that MEN (especially senior men) are suffering too. The same things I have said in regards to white and non-white can be applied to males and females respectively (obviously race and gender issues are not parallel in other ways). I have come across too many times now where certain vile women are over-protected just for their gender and these vile women are clearly exploiting this. It is unbelievable in this post-modern age to have an increasing amount of kind-hearted men who are not appreciated or elevated and are even blamed and are obliged to take blame for being males….. Whether people realise it or not, things are already damaged by this type of so-called liberal approach and it is about to get a lot worse. If we don’t collectively deal with this problem then collectively we should take the blame when or if fascism comes to power.

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      • Just in case anyone tries to distort what I say here. I’m all for racial and gender equality but not at the expense of taking away freedom from white men and at the current approach. It’s the current methods I oppose.

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  7. Paul,
    You are to be commended for your honesty and standing on the principle of truth – if a Muslim is doing wrong (like the guy who is now in prison), the other Muslims should not defend them or justify them or be silent in the face of evil and danger.

    This is a big deal and that is why the Bible does not cover over or hide the sins of the prophets (Noah gets drunk, Abraham lied, Moses got angry, killed an Egyptian, got angry and disobeyed God’s command to just speak to the rock, etc. David’s adultery and then the planning and plotting of the murder of her husband Uriah and all the plots and lies and deception involved in that (2 Samuel 11); Solomon’s sins (1 Kings 11:1-11) When believers do wrong, it is exposed by God and condemned by God. When Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 were hiding their sinful motives, and lying, acting like they were giving everything to God; God zapped them.

    The honesty of the Bible about the people of God’s sins (both Israel in the OT and the church in the NT) is a major plus for the credibility and truthfulness of it.

    You are right; Islam tries to cover over and hide sins. I remember a Hadith that you put up years ago at your other blog of “veiling sins” and the comments by Hamza Yusuf, and also Jonathan Brown wrote / said, “The Caliphs did not care what you did in private.” The principle of embarrassment speaks to the truth of the Bible. It is more honest and open. There is no salvation or healing or redemption without confession and honesty and open repentance.

    Do you think Surah 3:110 – “you are the best community / people / nation raised up for mankind”
    and
    Surah 98:6

    “they (unbelievers, some from the people of the book, etc.) are the worst of creatures”

    contributes to that tribalism?

    Surah 3:110 –
    “Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.”
    Yusuf Ali

    “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.”
    Saheeh International

    Surah 98:6

    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
    Yusuf Ali
    Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
    Saheeh International
    Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
    Pickthall

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    • Ken,

      You are confused and ill informed.

      Quran even reprimands the Prophet Muhammad while the Prophet is alive during his Prophet ministry.

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    • Ken,

      I have never seen in your comments the openness to consider alternative understanding that departs from the persistent agenda you have in your comments.

      You are often confused and ill informed.

      Quran reprimands the Prophet Muhammad while the Prophet is alive during his Prophet ministry six times.

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    • Surah 98.6 is about intransigent disbelievers, not random non-Muslims. If Jesus can refer to gentiles as dogs, what is wrong if the Quran calls disbelievers worse than animals? Ken, your problem isn’t with the Quran. Your main problem is that you are a hypocrite.

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    • Ken wrote:
      Surah 98:6
      “they (unbelievers, some from the people of the book, etc.) are the worst of creatures”
      contributes to that tribalism?

      Ken, if Quran say the unbelievers are are the worst of creatures,
      then your Bible say:
      The unbeliever must put to death. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.

      If they say “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt

      Kmak right, Ken you are a hypocrite.

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    • “Surah 98:6

      Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
      Yusuf Ali
      Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
      Saheeh International
      Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
      Pickthall”

      Will I be picnicking in paradise for rejecting christianity Ken? Goodness gracious

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    • “Surah 3:110 –
      “Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.”
      Yusuf Ali

      “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.”
      Saheeh International”

      A few comments later you end up justifying the same rhetoric

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      • The great difference is that Christianity does not say “we are better” or “we are superior” – neither the OT nor the NT says that – The Bible says that we are sinners also. We are not better. But we have been given GRACE – so we don’t look upon other nations or cultures as inferior to us, rather we have love and compassion for the unbeliever and are grieved when they choose the wrong way and go to hell.

        We agree that there is heaven and hell and hell is for those who reject the truth (of Christ, Al Masih, the truth of the NT, His atoning death and resurrection).

        But we don’t boast that we are better, because we also are sinners and not better, only that God has shed His grace on us, enabling us to repent and believe. God has shone the light into our hears.
        2 Corinthians 4:6
        For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

        It is the external laws of separation, food laws, clothing, etc. that contribute to the “us vs. them” mentality. Pride, arrogance, looking down on others – like the Pharisees.

        Jesus said those external laws (washings, hand washing, eating the proper foods – kosher, etc.) don’t clean your hearts.
        Mark 7:1-23

        Racial and cultural pride and arrogance – are deep within the heart of mankind.

        That enmity between cultures is what was abolished at the cross of Al Masih.
        Ephesians 2:11-22

        The curse of the law that judges and condemns us for not being perfect – Galatians 3:10-13; and the enmity of the law that the external laws set up that is fed by arrogance / pride. Ephesians 2:11-22 – Christ has abolished the enmity / hatred between cultures (in NT days, the ultimate example of that was Jews vs. Gentiles (nations, the non-Jews – Romans, Greeks, Samaritans, Canaanites, etc.)

        See Acts chapters 10-11, & chapter 15

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      • “neither the OT nor the NT says that – The Bible says that we are sinners also. We are not better”

        Uh no in the OT it is implied and explicit, refer to my question which you haven’t answered if you want more examples i’ll gladly share…yes you’re sinners but you’re also saved, they’re unsaved ergo it is implied…same in Islam…nothing sooo bad about it

        “It is the external laws of separation, food laws, clothing, etc. that contribute to the “us vs. them” mentality. Pride, arrogance, looking down on others – like the Pharisees”

        Quick tip: Laws given by whom? Does that remind you one of my previous questions?

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      • @Ken and as usual flower for you 🌹

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      • Temple: The great difference is that Christianity does not say “we are better” or “we are superior” – neither the OT nor the NT says that…

        Oh really? In the Torah (Leviticus 20:23), God says to the Israelites: “And ye shall not walk in the customs of the nation (יוֹגַּה תֹ קֻּחְבּ), which I am casting out before you; for they did all these things, and therefore I abhorred them,” and in the following verse Leviticus 20:24, “I am the Lord your God, who have set you apart from the peoples” (-ן ִמ
        םי ִמַּעָה). Also, Deuteronomy 23:21 recalls: “Unto a foreigner (י ִרְכָנַּל) thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest.”

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      • Kmak – Ken
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  8. So you no longer believe “There is no god but God, and Muhammad is His Prophet” because you saw a bunch of Muslim thugs who think Islamic brotherhood entails that you shouldn’t report terrorists to the police?

    ok

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    • “a bunch of Muslim thugs”

      No.

      They are highly respected dawah carriers like Mansur, Hashim, EF Dawah leaders, and many others.

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      • Who would have thought that some dawah carriers can have some extremely insane behaviors? (Indeed all of them are 3rd world immigrants who still cling to their culture and who would considering snitching on a fellow 3rd world immigrant bro to be egregious)

        But, again, does that imply that “There is no god but God, and Muhammad is His Prophet” is false?

        Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that there *IS* a problem in Muslim culture around the world, especially that of immigrant communities in Europe. But that doesn’t translate to something to do with the religion itself, rather with its understanding to some.

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      • That’s why I still don’t get it.

        Paul left Islam because of “a bunch of Muslim behavior” not because of “La ilaha illallah”.

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      • @let’s get serious….don’t judge before listening to both sides

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      • The tribalism is rooted in Islamic texts that inspire this us/them behaviour.

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      • > The tribalism is rooted in Islamic texts that inspire this us/them behaviour.

        The “us/them” mentality is present in every ideology, christianity, judaism, marxism, capitalism/communism, feminism, …etc. The question is what does it imply in that specific ideology. In Islam at least it CERTAINLY does not imply being unjust or unmerciful even to non-Muslims, much less that one doesn’t report a guy who wants to kill innocent souls (which is just assisting the guy in his highly haram act).

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  9. Dear Paul, this guy (Mufti Abu Layth al-Maliki) can be your one stop solution.
    Give him a chance.

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  10. he is pissed because he is not allowed to play with the big boys anymore

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  11. Ive watched the whole video, have you left Islam just for the reasons mentioned? Do you still believe in the shahada? Do you still believe the Quran is from God and Muhammad is the last messenger of God?

    I think you may have misinterpreted something somewhere because nowhere in Islam does it tell you to protect or associate with someone who is planning to kill innocent people. Please separate the religion from so called adherents to it.

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    • That’s what I told him above. The “us/them” mentality is present in every ideology, christianity, judaism, marxism, capitalism/communism, feminism, …etc. The question is what does it imply in that specific ideology. In Islam at least it CERTAINLY does not imply being unjust or unmerciful even to non-Muslims, much less that one doesn’t report a guy who wants to kill innocent souls (which is just assisting the guy in his highly haram act).

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  12. Essalamu 3alaykum brother paul. This is the first time I comment on youtube. I came across your channel a couple of days ago and today I watched this video of yours and I wanted to point out that the answer to your dilemma and confusion is in your own video. It’s in minute 13:32. Listen to what you said ‘salafis are not’ I advise you to look into their manhaj “way” and their sources of understanding of the Quran and Sunna. I am sure (yakinan) you will find peace of heart and mind inshAllah.

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