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  1. From your rational point of view or from academic exercise of analysis of the claim?

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      • So, it is subjective. Good!

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      • Islam is locked into a tribal us/them outlook. It protects its own and sees the unbeliever as an outsider.

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      • “just from my experience”

        Paul,

        from your experience of conflating hadith with God’s revelation of the Qur’an?

        I don’t reject any use of hadith in toto like many Quran only Muslims and I believe we can learn from interpretations that are alleged to be from the Prophet even if they are distorted and exaggerated over time of passing of oral narrations in a sectarian charged era of illiterate and pious forgers.

        However, is it not unfair to conflate hadith into the Qur’an?

        Would this person will take Paul seriously?

        Listen fully before responding.

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  2. Had making branches be permissible in Islam, today I would have created Salafiyyah Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaah which means The Way of Salaf and People of Sunnah and Community which seeks to completely eradicate violence, terrorism and all of form of injustice. Because, I believe in good.

    But I guess the only thing I can do is to become the head of the Parliament of Kuwait since I’m Kuwaiti by ethnicity and make some political corrections, and I do this all for Mr Williams so he will feel safe to live even in Islamic State namely Kuwait, and also this will be the best debunk and best refutation which I can do.

    Also, I have to say that as future Head of the Parliament of Kuwait, I will start making a petition where I ask all people of Kuwait if they want ISIS exterminated or not and if their vote is big yes, then I will send distruction of ISIS for they are khawarij and dogs of Hell

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  3. Paul,

    Is it possible that the dark side is not from the Prophet or from the Quran but instead from some people who profess to be Muslims and are in fact zealous Muslims but they are simply clinging to an ideology that they have been fed and which they are then feeding their ego thereby and you are wrongly assimilating the Prophet and the Quran with them?

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    • the tribalism is a fruit of the teachings of Islam we see in the hadith and Quran.

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      • Hmm…this is an interesting development.

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      • Paul,

        Since Islam was in existential threat when the Quraish of Mecca were trying to kill the Prophet and torture and kill the weak followers who were not allied to tribes, forcing the Prophet and his followers to flee to Madina, are not the strong verses against those trying to kill the Prophet entirely expected?

        Would not God want to use that to warn all evil doers?

        Have you read Juan Cole’s latest book on the Prophet?

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  4. A knife on the hand of a chef can make delicious foods

    The same knife on the hand of a killer become dangerous

    Both using the same knife, the different is how you use that knife.

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    • And you can not blame THE KNIFE

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    • Islam is locked into a tribal us/them outlook. It protects its own and sees the unbeliever as an outsider.

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      • That’s why Allah created Heaven and Hell

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      • Islam protects everyone, believer and unbeliever:

        Quran 5:32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel: that whoever kills a person—unless it is for murder or corruption on earth—it is as if he killed the whole of mankind; and whoever saves it, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind. Our messengers came to them with clarifications, but even after that, many of them continue to commit excesses in the land.

        Like i said:
        Both using the same knife, the different is how they use that knife, don’t blame the knife and also don’t blame the person who made that knife.

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      • Paul,

        Since Islam was in existential threat when the Quraish of Mecca were trying to kill the Prophet and torture and kill the weak followers who were not allied to tribes, forcing the Prophet and his followers to flee to Madina, are not the strong verses against those trying to kill the Prophet entirely expected?

        Would not God want to use that to warn all evil doers?

        Have you read Juan Cole’s latest book on the Prophet?

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  5. Paul, please be more explicit so we can discuss that specific point. From your earlier comments it seemed to me that the point that troubled you was the ‘tribalism’ or ‘not dissing out the bros’, following you calling out extremism in the speaker’s corner. I’m sorry that you had such an experience but it has nothing to do with Islam.

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    • It has everything to do with Islam. Muslims are the most tribal people I have ever met, anywhere. Its part of the DNA of Islam.

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      • Hey, don’t count me as one of the black sheeps from amongst us. Because, I’m NOT black sheep for I am reformed Muslim so I’m not tribal. I wish I can prove you this so you can see with your own eyes this.

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      • Islam is locked into a tribal us/them outlook. It protects its own and sees the unbeliever as an outsider.

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      • So what? Why does that bothers you so much?

        No no, Islam does NOT see all non-Muslims as disbelievers. This is the interpretation of khawarij(terrorists) which I’m now working on refuting them. I personally don’t see you as disbeliever, but what I see is you have valid excuses and you’re excused, so you don’t make a big deal out of it.

        This is it! It seem like I have no choice but to make a Islamic branch.

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  6. Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Allah says: ‘ When a slave of Mine draws near to Me a span, I draw near to him a cubit; and if he draws near to Me a cubit, I draw near to him a fathom. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running.”’. [Al-Bukhari].

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  7. “Come, come, whoever you are,
    wanderer, worshiper, lover of leaving,
    it doesn’t matter.
    Ours is not a caravan of despair.
    Come, even if you have broken your vow a hundred times.
    Come, come again, come”.
    ~ Mevlana

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  8. As far as the dark side that’s what people had made of it pretending it is Islam twisting their tounges distorting religion.Dark sides are satanic,so don’t listen to it.You decide whom to follow

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    • Islam is locked into a tribal us/them outlook. It protects its own and sees the unbeliever as an outsider.

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      • Bro Paul. If Islam as taught by Prophet Muhammad pbuh
        (1) locked the muslims into a tribal us n them outlook,
        (2) protects its own and
        (3) sees unbeliever as an outsider,
        then so be it, like it or not, because Islam is what it is, the truth and the only truth as taught by the beloved prophet pbuh whose words and actions is revealed and guided by Allah Subhanahu wa Taala, the Almighty God.

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  9. Dear Paul,

    I am sure you are aware that Islam is the religion of Allah SWT and is not the ownership of some layman born Muslims!

    Do know that each state, land, or a village Custom (aurf) is part and heavily considered in Islamic sharia and that was the case 1400 years ago and confirmed by all the madhabs and salaf. Kindly look it up in Islamic Fiqh and see for your self. Not to mention many Hadiths and quranic ayat on supporting cultural diversity. To deny that not only paralyzing the sharia but denying several Islamic main explicit texts!

    Sura al hujurat

    13. O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

    Narrated AbuHurayrah:
    The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Allah, Most High, has removed from you the pride of the pre-Islamic period and its boasting in ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. You are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust. Let the people cease to boast about their ancestors. They are merely fuel in Jahannam; or they will certainly be of less account with Allah than the beetle which rolls dung with its nose.

    ——-

    I am sorry about your bad experience but i know you cannot give in faith to your lord, your salvation, because of some toxic personal experience. These toxic people do not hold the key of heaven and hell. Life is full with toxic people, do not punish or oppress your self as a response. You only need Allah SWT and seek only his pleasure and no one else.

    Sura al furqan
    63. And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,

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    Please pardon our brothers from South Asia many from that region including hindus and atheists have a toxic culture of self southing and are very racists among them selves too.

    Never had an apostasy saddens me deep like yours. Wish i could somehow make it up for you and fill the gap. It most be challenging being a convert in such a crazy toxic era.

    Sura al haj
    11. And of the people is he who worships Allah on an edge. If he is touched by good, he is reassured by it; but if he is struck by trial, he turns on his face [to the other direction]. He has lost [this] world and the Hereafter. That is what is the manifest loss.

    12. He invokes instead of Allah that which neither harms him nor benefits him. That is what is the extreme error.

    13. He invokes one whose harm is closer than his benefit – how wretched the protector and how wretched the associate.

    14. Indeed, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds to gardens beneath which rivers flow. Indeed, Allah does what He intends.

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