“Uzair” and “Ezra” “doesn’t actually work, if you look at the languages”??
Uhhh… neither does “Isa” and “Yeshua” work, when you look at the languages!! The ACTUAL NAME of Jesus/Yeshua in Arabic is Yasu — it’s NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE to “Isa!” So, why even attempt the argument that “Uzair” is somehow related to “Metatron”? Those don’t exactly strike the reader as cognates, either.
Keep this in mind, not one of the Christians of the Prophet’s area criticized him for calling Jesus, ‘Isa. So that tells me that they had no issue with it. They knew who he was referring to.
You Christians are really immature and childish, thank God I’m not Christian but Muslim.
The “Actual” Arabic name for Jesus in Arabic it is Yasu, but it is NOT the original one, for it does not appear anywhere this name in Holy Quran. Why? Because, it is Arabized name which I find it alien thing.
The Arabic name Isa actually means God is Salvation and Al Masih can mean The Messiah or Christ depending on what context. So if you go to Google translate and type it English-Arabic and then write Jesus Christ, you’ll see they’ll give you the Arabic name Isa Al Masih, why? Because the meaning is the same as in Hebrew.
But saying that Yasu is the actual name for Jesus is a gross lie made against Quran.
The Qur’an claims the Jews say ‘Ezra the son of God’.
The Qur’an claims Isa/Jesus is the prophet and messiah’.
The Qur’an claims Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger of God.
Thank you for the informative brief talk on this issue that has been perplexing.
I did not know about Metatron and I did not know that it was widespread that Rabbinic Jews worshipped Metatron.
Rabbinic Jews were probably also influenced by Neoplatonism also had this idea of emanations.
Having said this, I have read that Ezra was also identified with Metatron.
“The earliest account of Metatron within Islamic scriptures might derive directly from the Quran itself. Uzair, according to Surah 9:30-31 venerated as a Son of God by Jews, is another name for the prophet Ezra, who was also identified with Metatron in Merkabah Mysticism.”
Would you like to be author on my blog? Because, I would like to have someone who can report historical facts of events which happened and about what us happening in Middle East.
we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad’s time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim. And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur’an 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted.[3]
ref: G. D. Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 61.
It is interesting to note that the Jews in Arabia, during the advent of Islam, were involved in mystical speculation as well as anthromorphizing and worshipping an angel that functions as the substitute creator of the universe. That angel is usually identified as Metatron[2]. Newby notes that:
…we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad’s time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim. And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur’an 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted.[3]
ref: G. D. Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 61.
The Quran 9:30 verse that speaks of Ezra states:”That is a saying from their mouth”
Arabic linguistics(whether believers or not) and Muslim theologists alike; agree that the Quran’s structured language is very eloquent and in terms of composition, construction, and articulated wordings.
Thus, what that means in this context: is that this statement about the son of god is made vocally and spoken out form the mouth, meaning not quoted from or registered in their scriptures. This means that the ones(could be a small group or too many) who had verbally spoken out such, don’t represent their religion theology or it’s written scripture in the case of Uzair and the Torah. And if they were named Christians or jews in the verse, it doesn’t reflect their respected religions as in whole or their fellows in general. Example: Some Christians (Nestorians) considered Jesus as human. Quran’s main messages, is to highly respect the people of the book, meaning Christians and Jews, however asked them for a Uniting ground base.
“Uzair” and “Ezra” “doesn’t actually work, if you look at the languages”??
Uhhh… neither does “Isa” and “Yeshua” work, when you look at the languages!! The ACTUAL NAME of Jesus/Yeshua in Arabic is Yasu — it’s NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE to “Isa!” So, why even attempt the argument that “Uzair” is somehow related to “Metatron”? Those don’t exactly strike the reader as cognates, either.
D.S.
Keep this in mind, not one of the Christians of the Prophet’s area criticized him for calling Jesus, ‘Isa. So that tells me that they had no issue with it. They knew who he was referring to.
Also take a look at this article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/callingchristians.com/2015/12/30/is-isa-a-fake-name-of-jesus-invented-by-islam/amp/
Oh my God,
You Christians are really immature and childish, thank God I’m not Christian but Muslim.
The “Actual” Arabic name for Jesus in Arabic it is Yasu, but it is NOT the original one, for it does not appear anywhere this name in Holy Quran. Why? Because, it is Arabized name which I find it alien thing.
The Arabic name Isa actually means God is Salvation and Al Masih can mean The Messiah or Christ depending on what context. So if you go to Google translate and type it English-Arabic and then write Jesus Christ, you’ll see they’ll give you the Arabic name Isa Al Masih, why? Because the meaning is the same as in Hebrew.
But saying that Yasu is the actual name for Jesus is a gross lie made against Quran.
Yeshua= Hebrew
Isa= Arabic
Meaning= God is Salvation
So here you go. I hope this enlightened you.
The Qur’an claims the Jews say ‘Ezra the son of God’.
The Qur’an claims Isa/Jesus is the prophet and messiah’.
The Qur’an claims Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger of God.
But what Jew ever believed those?
NO!
So what the problem? Nothing!
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Paul,
Thank you for the informative brief talk on this issue that has been perplexing.
I did not know about Metatron and I did not know that it was widespread that Rabbinic Jews worshipped Metatron.
Rabbinic Jews were probably also influenced by Neoplatonism also had this idea of emanations.
Having said this, I have read that Ezra was also identified with Metatron.
“The earliest account of Metatron within Islamic scriptures might derive directly from the Quran itself. Uzair, according to Surah 9:30-31 venerated as a Son of God by Jews, is another name for the prophet Ezra, who was also identified with Metatron in Merkabah Mysticism.”
Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron#cite_ref-48 but
referring to the reference below
Steven M. Wasserstrom Between Muslim and Jew: The Problem of Symbiosis under Early Islam Princeton University Press 2014 ISBN 9781400864133 p. 184
thanks
Dear Williams,
Would you like to be author on my blog? Because, I would like to have someone who can report historical facts of events which happened and about what us happening in Middle East.
thank you for the kind offer but my knowledge of the middle east is very poor.
we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad’s time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim. And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur’an 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted.[3]
ref: G. D. Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 61.
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/contrad/external/ezra
It is interesting to note that the Jews in Arabia, during the advent of Islam, were involved in mystical speculation as well as anthromorphizing and worshipping an angel that functions as the substitute creator of the universe. That angel is usually identified as Metatron[2]. Newby notes that:
…we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad’s time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim. And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur’an 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted.[3]
ref: G. D. Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 61.
I have ordered this book by Newby.
Another interesting perspective I came across while browsing this YT channel.
https://youtu.be/iruxBicm59o
Mufti Abu Layth goes with the same understanding here
https://youtu.be/GdlCbTkYHgM
The Quran 9:30 verse that speaks of Ezra states:”That is a saying from their mouth”
Arabic linguistics(whether believers or not) and Muslim theologists alike; agree that the Quran’s structured language is very eloquent and in terms of composition, construction, and articulated wordings.
Thus, what that means in this context: is that this statement about the son of god is made vocally and spoken out form the mouth, meaning not quoted from or registered in their scriptures. This means that the ones(could be a small group or too many) who had verbally spoken out such, don’t represent their religion theology or it’s written scripture in the case of Uzair and the Torah. And if they were named Christians or jews in the verse, it doesn’t reflect their respected religions as in whole or their fellows in general. Example: Some Christians (Nestorians) considered Jesus as human. Quran’s main messages, is to highly respect the people of the book, meaning Christians and Jews, however asked them for a Uniting ground base.