I discuss surah 4 verse 157 in its context and how its interpretation has been the subject of vigorous debate among Muslims for centuries.
I read from ‘The Crucifixion and the Qur’an: A Study in the History of Muslim Thought’ by Todd Lawson https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucifixion-Quran-History-Muslim-Thought/dp/1851686355
A new translation of 4:157 says:
and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.
Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran https://quran.com/4/157
Categories: Bible, Crucifixion, Dr Tim Winter, Islam, Jesus, New Testament scholarship, Qur'an, Recommended reading, Scholars
I don’t think Muslims should debate Christians on the authenticity of the crucifixion. The only time the crucifixion of Christ is brought up in the Quran is as a response to the mockery of the Jews.
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Muslims believe that all prophets and messengers of Allah were protected / guarded by an angel (Jibreel).
Either Jibreel would warn or save them if they were in danger situation.
Even in the Bible says so in Psalm 91:10-16
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Therefore “They neither killed nor crucified him”.
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Yeah but what about when the Quran says ” And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the Wrath of Allah. That was because they used to disbelieve the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the Prophets wrongfully. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress the bounds (in their disobedience to Allah,”
That is a stupid and ridiculous doctrine. You people create division with your man-made beliefs. Today this day, I separate from both Sunni and Shia. The hadiths are not a credible source of info. I believe we have all been worshipping wrong. The Bible, though corrupted, goes hand in hand with the Quran. The Quran is a declaration of God’s covenant with mankind. JESUS closed the covenant with the nation of Israel. But the decendents of Abraham are still blessed. Thanks to Ishmael through Muhamed we have revelation. But the hadiths have corrupted the faith and these grand mufti people are lovers and corruptors
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Both muslims and christians can agree that jews didn’t kill Jesus, if it was in fact ROMANS who did it..
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Like Quran says we are only making assumptions.
Fact: Jesus was not a Christian.
Fact: Jesus worship only God alone not trinity.
Fact: Christian is a religion who worship Jesus
This is my silly assumption:
I would say Romans did not kill Jesus but Christians.
Christians believe Jesus must die.
Why?
Because Christians believe if Jesus didn’t die then human’s sins would never be forgiven. If nobody kill Jesus then Christians would do it. They would chase Jesus everywhere and try to kill him so human’s sins would be forgiven.
Actually Jesus would run away if he met a Christian.
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first 9 page. otherways he is racist https://sheldonemrylibrary.com/Books/Who%20Killed%20Christ.pdf
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Shabir Ally, Imran Hosein and Khalil Andani believes Jesus was crucified. Even Nouman Ali Khan said that we can’t know for sure what happened to Jesus.
I’ve also noticed that there is an islamic understanding that the difference between sleep and death is that while our soul is taken in both cases, death is when God keeps our soul. So if Allah took Jesus soul for 3 days, then gave it back, would that be death or sleep?
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Shabir Ally and Khalil Andani are products of Western academia, not traditional Islamic learning. Andani is also an Ismaili.
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Back to Quran if you have a doubt.
“…..Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.”.
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Does the original arabic say “those who argue for this crucifixion”? And who are ‘they’ referred to in the sentence “they did not kill him” ?
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Another translation: “those who differ about him (Isa) are in doubt about it.”
They = The People of the Scripture
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interesting view http://www.hope-of-israel.org/crosschr.htm
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