The Islam’s haters wanted Islam to be violent so they could demonized Islam. Why?
Because they don’t want people to embrace Islam. Why?
Because if majority of people become Muslim then less and less people:
– drink alcohol
– gambling
– going to Church
– celebrate Christmas
– celebrate Halloween
– eat pig
– commit adultery
– smoke weeds, drugs
I don’t buy it, beheading was quite common in Mohammad’s time. He beheaded tons of guys, if not thousands or more. Beheading is such inhumane act, how is that merciful?
Hypothetically if I were to murder someone I would rather killed a man by stabbing him rather than beheading him, its inhumane.
Sorry if I exaggerated, that’s why I used the word if. That said, Its quite possible though, a man who wants to inflict THE gruesome punishment on the fellow human beings, could easily chop off as many heads as he can.
I never said it is okay, such punishments are disgusting and it makes you more violent and cruel. This is inhumane. Thanks for bringing that up, in the light of such punishments one could certainly conclude Muhammad was not merciful.
I don’t know, I think both are equally worse, bit stoning to death may take hours though. So I’m incline to say stoning to death may be much more painful. That said, those who advocate these gruesome punishments cannot be a merciful and that’s the point.
God wouldn’t advocate such punishments, I think He must be much more merciful. Since He creates me and others who criticize or rebuke such brutality committed against the humanity. According to me, my innate self tells me He is THE most merciful. And one who advocates such gruesome punishments couldn’t be a godly men. Be it Moses, Jesus Muhammad, etc.
Paul, the God is the who has given us this human nature by which we can discern between what is right and wrong, for instance we don’t need any religious book to tell us that stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, etc. This is just common knowledge. I just don’t think God would commands such brutality.
Human nature certainly has a god-given moral compass. But in adults it is often twisted and deformed and influenced by secular/liberal mores. God in his Revelation to mankind (the Torah etc) has mandated certain punishments for the most egregious crimes. We would be wise to heed our Maker’s wishes.
I don’t know what you meant by the Torah, if we look into the old testament there are many atrocities committed against the mankind. You want me to believe in the book that commands killing of infants. I don’t think my nature is influenced by either liberal/ secular. My nature tells these inhumane atrocious commands cannot be from the God.
Sam, I don’t know for sure, but my nature and intellect tells me that there is a super being out there who has created me. I don’t think I just came into being by a chance. I would rather die believing in the Creator than not believing in one, it is just that simple.
That ‘law’ which you have cited Paul is quite irrelevant, it is common knowledge that we shouldn’t kill each other, and I think I was talking about same thing since the very beginning. That same book commands you to kill the infants, so I would not rather cherrypick the verses and claim these are the revelations and others aren’t. Besides, like I said it’s a common knowledge not to kill each other, not a biggie.
You said: “my nature and intellect tells me that there is a super being out there who has created me”
Did you read Quran? If didn’t, just read it cover to cover. (and ask Muslims if you don’t understand it)
After all if Islam is right then in judgement day don’t complain to God that no one tells you about Quran (words of God).
That’s right, The Creator gives us intellect, keep using your intellect to see all signs from The Creator, hopefully you find who is your God before you die.
Why did they killed each other for no reason? They kill each other over something, maybe it is of small value, but they do know as most human being do, that killing each other is wrong. It is a common knowledge, just like people do still rob, con and steal, rape etc. They know all this is wrong, but they do it anyway.
Yes Paul, there always some reason behind it, its not that they start killing each other for no reason. That reason could be either right or wrong. Just like Nazi kills jews, because of their ‘distorted’ understanding of the Bible. Crazy people will do crazy stuff, nothing you.can do about it. Some people still do rob each other even today, though they may already know the commandment
” thou shall not steal” . It still happen and it will continue to do so. It doesn’t mean its not in the common knowledge, just because some people are doing it anyway. More often than not religion is the reason for the massacres and genocides like the bible said kill all the infants. I know it’s wrong I don’t need any scripture to tell me that, but bible tells them to do it. They may have thought it must be ‘Good’, Since the ‘God’ said so.
Just because some people are doing something, it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t know its wrong.
Yeah, blame Islam for whatever the khawarij do🙄😠😠😠
Had I’ve been President of Romania, I could have easily exterminated terrorism with ease, because I have already made plans. But no, I don’t get the chance to be voted to President of Romania for me to fulfill this dream of mine.
Anyways, I will literally be Sunni Muslim scholar and I will strive to fight against terrorism and violence, and I will Islamically preach against terrorism and violence after becoming Muslim scholar, and bingo, no more violence and terrorism.
Khawarij aka strawman? I had to Google to know what it means. I was talking about Muhammad, if you’re replying to my comment. Sorry, I didn’t mean to make you angry or upset you. I was just wondering how come Muslims call Muhammad a merciful when he himself has ordered beheading, Such a gruesome punishment, I wouldn’t even inflict on the Hitler whom I consideredto be the most evil man, if I had given the choice to do so. Then how come a prophet of God who calls himself a merciful would do such a thing, it’s beyond me. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be killed, I’m arguing they shouldn’t be killed in that gruesome way. He could have shown mercy, if he was really a merciful.
When I say khawarij, I mean the terrorists. It is Islamic term which means rebels and used to reffer to terrorists, for they rebelled against the Government of Syria and Iraq and much worse! They rebelled against Holy Quran!!
As for beheading, give me the verse and God willingly, I will do my best to explain in detail what it actually talks about. Please follow and subscribe to my blog so you can learn the absolute truth about Islam from a Traditionalist Muslim.
There is absolutely no contradiction, we only need to educate you about Quran and Sunnah before making such assumption of contradiction like how Muhammad is he mercy when he orders for beheading.
“Im no sadist”
Comming from a person who said they would rather stab a person to death rather than a swift execution style beheading, did I get that right?
You should be asking questions, alot more questions because your opinions actually suck bro. Growing up I would enjoy the company of younger children because adults can be so stupid
‘Wouldn’t that imply that raiding caravans or attacking settlements is a sin in God’s eyes?’
Not in Muhammad’s case no. The objects of the raids were the Meccans who had robbed the early Muslims of all their possessions and forced them out of their homes.
Does that mean in a sharia controlled society if the dhimmi doesn’t pay his jizya, or his electric bill, he loses his head? Or he gets sold in to slavery?
I think the conflict may also have had something to do with Mohammed’s determination to eliminate paganism upon which the Meccan’s livelihood depended. Specifically to take control of a pagan shrine. This seems a strange obsession for someone who is supposed to be a prophet from God.
Lets not forget that Mohammed also plotted with Medinan tribes to wage war against the Meccans. He was an insurrectionist while still living in Mecca. Its not as if the Meccans had no reason to oppose him.
Christianity was born in a pagan society and it did not seek to overthrow its pagan rulers.
Erasmus: I think the conflict may also have had something to do with Mohammed’s determination to eliminate paganism upon which the Meccan’s livelihood depended. Specifically to take control of a pagan shrine. This seems a strange obsession for someone who is supposed to be a prophet from God.
Yeah, a true prophet would not be bothered by paganism or idolatry.
Its also obvious that the flight of Muslims to Medina was a calculated strategy favored by Mohammed to build a power base there away from the influence of the Quraysh. The enemies of the Quraysh were also his allies there where he could more or less rule without any opposition.
The jewish tribes were also friendly towards him at the beginning before he started to put pressure on them.
Erasmus: Its also obvious that the flight of Muslims to Medina was a calculated strategy favored by Mohammed to build a power base there away from the influence of the Quraysh. The enemies of the Quraysh were also his allies there where he could more or less rule without any opposition.
The Aws and Khazraj were not the enemies of Quraysh prior to the Hijra. Try again.
Erasmus: The jewish tribes were also friendly towards him at the beginning before he started to put pressure on them.
@Erasmus,@Kmak
This website is called bloggingTHEOLOGY. If your here thinking this is a youtube comment section to troll your evil roots in with lies and feel tingly with visions of grandeur, go for it. Anyone who references the lies you made up about prophet Muhammad sa lalahu alayhi wa salam can find out for themselves and come to a clear understanding.
“The objects of the raids were the Meccans who had robbed the early Muslims of all their possessions and forced them out of their homes.”
Mohammed may have given this as a justification but you are conveniently ignoring the fact that he had to follow through with his threats of a calamitous judgement on those who refuse to submit to the islamic messenger or warner. He gave examples of this such as Noah and Hud.
He could not simply leave the Meccans, or any anybody else for that matter, to carry on with business as usual after they had rejected his message. The unbelievers had to be punished with calamity. This is Allah’s perennial response to the rejection of the warner.
The Meccans challenged him so Mohammed was left with no choice but to resort to more drastic measures to bring about the desired end.
Ignore @erasmus for he clearly does not know anything about Islam, he poses himself as very knowledgable on Islam, when we test people like him, they will certainly fail the test.
Erasmus: The Meccans challenged him so Mohammed was left with no choice but to resort to more drastic measures to bring about the desired end.
And what made him think he could bring upon the Meccans what God brought upon the disbelievers of old?
If, like the disbelievers of old, those who rejected Muhammad (saw) were destroyed, then Muhammad (saw) was a true Prophet. Against all odds, Muhammad (saw) was victorious over his enemies. Therefore, Muhammad (saw) was a true Prophet.
We can also use Bayesian reason to establish this argument. More on this later.
The Islam’s haters wanted Islam to be violent so they could demonized Islam. Why?
Because they don’t want people to embrace Islam. Why?
Because if majority of people become Muslim then less and less people:
– drink alcohol
– gambling
– going to Church
– celebrate Christmas
– celebrate Halloween
– eat pig
– commit adultery
– smoke weeds, drugs
I don’t buy it, beheading was quite common in Mohammad’s time. He beheaded tons of guys, if not thousands or more. Beheading is such inhumane act, how is that merciful?
Hypothetically if I were to murder someone I would rather killed a man by stabbing him rather than beheading him, its inhumane.
Thousands or more? Lol
Sorry if I exaggerated, that’s why I used the word if. That said, Its quite possible though, a man who wants to inflict THE gruesome punishment on the fellow human beings, could easily chop off as many heads as he can.
If beheading is not okay then stoning to death is okay, right?
I never said it is okay, such punishments are disgusting and it makes you more violent and cruel. This is inhumane. Thanks for bringing that up, in the light of such punishments one could certainly conclude Muhammad was not merciful.
Is stoning to death more merciful or humane?
I don’t know, I think both are equally worse, bit stoning to death may take hours though. So I’m incline to say stoning to death may be much more painful. That said, those who advocate these gruesome punishments cannot be a merciful and that’s the point.
So God is the one who most merciful is not merciful?
God wouldn’t advocate such punishments, I think He must be much more merciful. Since He creates me and others who criticize or rebuke such brutality committed against the humanity. According to me, my innate self tells me He is THE most merciful. And one who advocates such gruesome punishments couldn’t be a godly men. Be it Moses, Jesus Muhammad, etc.
That’s using your own human subjective judgement. God knows best.
Who do you think Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, (peace be upon all of them)?
Paul, the God is the who has given us this human nature by which we can discern between what is right and wrong, for instance we don’t need any religious book to tell us that stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, etc. This is just common knowledge. I just don’t think God would commands such brutality.
Human nature certainly has a god-given moral compass. But in adults it is often twisted and deformed and influenced by secular/liberal mores. God in his Revelation to mankind (the Torah etc) has mandated certain punishments for the most egregious crimes. We would be wise to heed our Maker’s wishes.
You said: “Since He creates me”
Who told you God created you?
I don’t know what you meant by the Torah, if we look into the old testament there are many atrocities committed against the mankind. You want me to believe in the book that commands killing of infants. I don’t think my nature is influenced by either liberal/ secular. My nature tells these inhumane atrocious commands cannot be from the God.
Sam, I don’t know for sure, but my nature and intellect tells me that there is a super being out there who has created me. I don’t think I just came into being by a chance. I would rather die believing in the Creator than not believing in one, it is just that simple.
Your position is not coherent. You accept the existence of God yet refuse to accept that He has revealed certain laws to mankind.
This is one such law:
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6
Your feelings about this are, theologically speaking, irrelevant. The law is the law.
That ‘law’ which you have cited Paul is quite irrelevant, it is common knowledge that we shouldn’t kill each other, and I think I was talking about same thing since the very beginning. That same book commands you to kill the infants, so I would not rather cherrypick the verses and claim these are the revelations and others aren’t. Besides, like I said it’s a common knowledge not to kill each other, not a biggie.
‘like I said it’s a common knowledge not to kill each other, not a biggie.’
The history of the human race would suggest otherwise. Do you really need examples??
You said: “my nature and intellect tells me that there is a super being out there who has created me”
Did you read Quran? If didn’t, just read it cover to cover. (and ask Muslims if you don’t understand it)
After all if Islam is right then in judgement day don’t complain to God that no one tells you about Quran (words of God).
That’s right, The Creator gives us intellect, keep using your intellect to see all signs from The Creator, hopefully you find who is your God before you die.
Why did they killed each other for no reason? They kill each other over something, maybe it is of small value, but they do know as most human being do, that killing each other is wrong. It is a common knowledge, just like people do still rob, con and steal, rape etc. They know all this is wrong, but they do it anyway.
People throughout history have had very different ideas about when kiling another person is not wrong:
the Nazis thought kiling Jews was a good thing
the Communists in China/Russia killed counter-revolutionaries
the Church killed heretics
the west kills unborn children on an industrial scale as a ‘woman’s right’
etc etc
Yes Paul, there always some reason behind it, its not that they start killing each other for no reason. That reason could be either right or wrong. Just like Nazi kills jews, because of their ‘distorted’ understanding of the Bible. Crazy people will do crazy stuff, nothing you.can do about it. Some people still do rob each other even today, though they may already know the commandment
” thou shall not steal” . It still happen and it will continue to do so. It doesn’t mean its not in the common knowledge, just because some people are doing it anyway. More often than not religion is the reason for the massacres and genocides like the bible said kill all the infants. I know it’s wrong I don’t need any scripture to tell me that, but bible tells them to do it. They may have thought it must be ‘Good’, Since the ‘God’ said so.
Just because some people are doing something, it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t know its wrong.
It’s not that I would like to kill anyone, I won’t even behead Hitler. So does this means am I more merciful?
Yeah, blame Islam for whatever the khawarij do🙄😠😠😠
Had I’ve been President of Romania, I could have easily exterminated terrorism with ease, because I have already made plans. But no, I don’t get the chance to be voted to President of Romania for me to fulfill this dream of mine.
Anyways, I will literally be Sunni Muslim scholar and I will strive to fight against terrorism and violence, and I will Islamically preach against terrorism and violence after becoming Muslim scholar, and bingo, no more violence and terrorism.
Khawarij aka strawman? I had to Google to know what it means. I was talking about Muhammad, if you’re replying to my comment. Sorry, I didn’t mean to make you angry or upset you. I was just wondering how come Muslims call Muhammad a merciful when he himself has ordered beheading, Such a gruesome punishment, I wouldn’t even inflict on the Hitler whom I consideredto be the most evil man, if I had given the choice to do so. Then how come a prophet of God who calls himself a merciful would do such a thing, it’s beyond me. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be killed, I’m arguing they shouldn’t be killed in that gruesome way. He could have shown mercy, if he was really a merciful.
Chris:…beheading, Such a gruesome punishment, I wouldn’t even inflict on the Hitler whom I consideredto be the most evil man
You’re such a wimp. Grow a pair.
When I say khawarij, I mean the terrorists. It is Islamic term which means rebels and used to reffer to terrorists, for they rebelled against the Government of Syria and Iraq and much worse! They rebelled against Holy Quran!!
As for beheading, give me the verse and God willingly, I will do my best to explain in detail what it actually talks about. Please follow and subscribe to my blog so you can learn the absolute truth about Islam from a Traditionalist Muslim.
There is absolutely no contradiction, we only need to educate you about Quran and Sunnah before making such assumption of contradiction like how Muhammad is he mercy when he orders for beheading.
Hi Kmak, Such brutal punishments are carry out by the people who are the sadist. So I may be a wimp, but I’m no sadist, that’s just sick.
“Im no sadist”
Comming from a person who said they would rather stab a person to death rather than a swift execution style beheading, did I get that right?
You should be asking questions, alot more questions because your opinions actually suck bro. Growing up I would enjoy the company of younger children because adults can be so stupid
Insults, this is exactly what you expect from Muslims. They just cannot be civil. You guys cannot surprise me anymore.
Because stabbing someone to death isn’t stupid and shouldn’t be considered sadistic compared to beheading. Yeah, I still disagree with you
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6
Wouldn’t that imply that raiding caravans or attacking settlements is a sin in God’s eyes?
But I know a famous religious hero who did just that.
‘Wouldn’t that imply that raiding caravans or attacking settlements is a sin in God’s eyes?’
Not in Muhammad’s case no. The objects of the raids were the Meccans who had robbed the early Muslims of all their possessions and forced them out of their homes.
The Bible has a similar idea.
Debt collecting with the sword?
Does that mean in a sharia controlled society if the dhimmi doesn’t pay his jizya, or his electric bill, he loses his head? Or he gets sold in to slavery?
I think the conflict may also have had something to do with Mohammed’s determination to eliminate paganism upon which the Meccan’s livelihood depended. Specifically to take control of a pagan shrine. This seems a strange obsession for someone who is supposed to be a prophet from God.
Lets not forget that Mohammed also plotted with Medinan tribes to wage war against the Meccans. He was an insurrectionist while still living in Mecca. Its not as if the Meccans had no reason to oppose him.
Christianity was born in a pagan society and it did not seek to overthrow its pagan rulers.
Erasmus: I think the conflict may also have had something to do with Mohammed’s determination to eliminate paganism upon which the Meccan’s livelihood depended. Specifically to take control of a pagan shrine. This seems a strange obsession for someone who is supposed to be a prophet from God.
Yeah, a true prophet would not be bothered by paganism or idolatry.
Its also obvious that the flight of Muslims to Medina was a calculated strategy favored by Mohammed to build a power base there away from the influence of the Quraysh. The enemies of the Quraysh were also his allies there where he could more or less rule without any opposition.
The jewish tribes were also friendly towards him at the beginning before he started to put pressure on them.
Erasmus: Its also obvious that the flight of Muslims to Medina was a calculated strategy favored by Mohammed to build a power base there away from the influence of the Quraysh. The enemies of the Quraysh were also his allies there where he could more or less rule without any opposition.
The Aws and Khazraj were not the enemies of Quraysh prior to the Hijra. Try again.
Erasmus: The jewish tribes were also friendly towards him at the beginning before he started to put pressure on them.
Which Jewish tribes?
@Erasmus,@Kmak
This website is called bloggingTHEOLOGY. If your here thinking this is a youtube comment section to troll your evil roots in with lies and feel tingly with visions of grandeur, go for it. Anyone who references the lies you made up about prophet Muhammad sa lalahu alayhi wa salam can find out for themselves and come to a clear understanding.
“The objects of the raids were the Meccans who had robbed the early Muslims of all their possessions and forced them out of their homes.”
Mohammed may have given this as a justification but you are conveniently ignoring the fact that he had to follow through with his threats of a calamitous judgement on those who refuse to submit to the islamic messenger or warner. He gave examples of this such as Noah and Hud.
He could not simply leave the Meccans, or any anybody else for that matter, to carry on with business as usual after they had rejected his message. The unbelievers had to be punished with calamity. This is Allah’s perennial response to the rejection of the warner.
The Meccans challenged him so Mohammed was left with no choice but to resort to more drastic measures to bring about the desired end.
What else you know about Muhammad pbuh?
Dear Sam,
Ignore @erasmus for he clearly does not know anything about Islam, he poses himself as very knowledgable on Islam, when we test people like him, they will certainly fail the test.
@Alex,
True!
Erasmus: The Meccans challenged him so Mohammed was left with no choice but to resort to more drastic measures to bring about the desired end.
And what made him think he could bring upon the Meccans what God brought upon the disbelievers of old?
If, like the disbelievers of old, those who rejected Muhammad (saw) were destroyed, then Muhammad (saw) was a true Prophet. Against all odds, Muhammad (saw) was victorious over his enemies. Therefore, Muhammad (saw) was a true Prophet.
We can also use Bayesian reason to establish this argument. More on this later.