Accurate summary from Ismail here. It is unfortunate the devil in disguise of “liberalism” is slowly and certainly a damage to human nature and traditional values that have made much more sense to humans and our fitrah for centuries.
If the west is fucked, according to you, then why is it still the most dominant in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science (science & technology are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) etc?
Furthermore, if the ”key premises of the west” are wrong, then whose premises are correct? Afghanistan’s, Somalia’s, Syria’s? They are doing great, right? LOOL!!!!!
The West’s postmodernism has lead to nihilism and the loss of God. Mother Teresa details some of the consequences:
“The greatest disease in the West today is not TB or leprosy; it is being unwanted, unloved, and uncared for. We can cure physical diseases with medicine, but the only cure for loneliness, despair, and hopelessness is love. There are many in the world who are dying for a piece of bread but there are many more dying for a little love. The poverty in the West is a different kind of poverty — it is not only a poverty of loneliness but also of spirituality. There’s a hunger for love, as there is a hunger for God.”
The statement that you mentioned, is the battle-cry of the chronic masturbator and serial science-denier. Lastly, this individual who possesses this mindset is ungrateful to the gifts of prosperity that rational empiricism has brought.
Dr.Collins: If the west is fucked, according to you, then why is it still the most dominant in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science (science & technology are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) etc?
Is the West also leading the world on marriage, family and mental health?
”Is the West also leading the world on marriage, family and mental health?”
The west has strictest enforcement of rational laws on the protection of women, children from abusive men in the world-to the point where state support in the form of financial benefits for poverty stricken women and her dependents is provided. The state support is not limited to money but also help with rent through social-housing, tax-credits, vouchers of various sorts, free-libraries for intellectual fulfilment, free-health-care, free-dental and eye-care etc. Does Afghanistan provide this or is it Somalia, Ethiopia, Syria etc or Yemen? In those countries, where Salafi Islam and Deobandi Islam, the two most literal minded forms of Islam reigns supreme, women are regularly raped, economy is destroyed and homosexual rape, pedophilia is common and unpunished and bribery etc etc
You are extremely ignorant of the WEST and the EAST because you are generally an illiterate unemployed brainwashed fool.
Do you know how many Muslims are immigrating to the west because they KNOW IT IS BETTER THAN THEM IN EVERY WAY?
The two key premises highlighted by the individual are actually are demonstrably true. Here is the evidence:
#1 Individual Autonomy is deeply embedded in the human psyche. This is the correct ”Fitrah”.
How would you feel, if I dictated that you be forced into marriage against your will; eat food that you dislike, live in conditions that inflict pain upon you and wear clothes that you detest and so on?
Immediately, your natural reaction is rebellion and revulsion, since this is against your nature.
#2 Knowability of objective truth without God is true because mathematical axioms such as Kolmogorov axioms are known to be true, without any reference to God. Furthermore, the mathematician who introduced these foundational axioms, was a true atheist!
Here are the 3 Axioms in non-technical non-mathematical language, from whence many many rules.
The three axioms are:
For any event A, P(A) ≥ 0. In English, that’s “For any event A, the probability of A is greater or equal to 0”.
When S is the sample space of an experiment; i.e., the set of all possible outcomes, P(S) = 1. In English, that’s “The probability of any of the outcomes happening is one hundred percent”, or—paraphrasing— “anytime this experiment is performed, something happens”.
If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, P(A ∪ B ) = P(A) + P(B).
Here ∪ stands for ‘union’. We can read this by saying “If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, the probability of either A or B happening is the probability of A happening plus the probability of B happening”
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Amanothali A, ”human nature” is not some self-evident truth, furthermore, what exactly is meant by ”human nature”? Furthermore, ”traditional values” are sociological constructs that are situation-specific, entirely at the mercy of historical trends-nothing ”objective” them in any shape or sense.
In your country, INDIA, it made a lot of sense to ”burn women alive when their husbands died, alongside their corpses” this was the FITRAH FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
I am glad this ”traditional value” is dead, alongside all other ”social impositions” by ignorant barbarians.
You said
“In your country, INDIA, it made a lot of sense to ”burn women alive when their husbands died, alongside their corpses” this was the FITRAH FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.”
Only a fool would say “this was a fitrah for thousands of years” what a laughing stock. The fitra (even on a minimum level) is what is and will be installed in all humans naturally throughout human history, however long the human race will last, regardless of faiths or no faiths. Also what on earth has the fitrah got to do with a particular Hindu practice? And also what made you say, “your country INDIA”? Would you like to take another guess please?
That’s just one paragraph of your trolling. I may deal with your first paragraph after you can decide to be more civilised in your communication with me.
Dr. Collins: You are extremely ignorant of the WEST and the EAST because you are generally an illiterate unemployed brainwashed fool.
Actually, I have a PHD in Economics from an American university. I also teach Economics in a college near where I live. What is your doctorate in?
I asked you if the West is leading the Muslim world on marriage, family and mental health? The answer is no. For instance, in the US alone marriage rates are on the decline, the fraction of children born to unmarried parents is on the rise, the fraction of children living in single parent households is on the rise, the fraction of young adults living with their parents is on the rise, promiscuity is on the rise, the fraction of people who are on disability benefits is on the rise, and suicide rates among prime age men is on the rise.
The west is definitely the most successful in terms of life-satisfaction as measured by the number of nuclear weapons being produced. I define ”life-satisfaction” as being based primarily on possessing the most powerful military.
Kmak, all of those statistics demonstrate that drug-addiction needs to be eradicated in conjunction with financial, mathematical and scientific illiteracy, through targeted programs. Furthermore, the situation is still better than war-torn countries. If you disagree, why not live in Yemen?
Dr. Collins: Kmak, all of those statistics demonstrate that drug-addiction needs to be eradicated in conjunction with financial, mathematical and scientific illiteracy, through targeted programs. Furthermore, the situation is still better than war-torn countries. If you disagree, why not live in Yemen?
No Collins. Drug addiction isn’t responsible for declining marriage, etc. Financial, mathematical and scientific literacy will not lead to more young people getting married or less children born to unmarried parents. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
Of course the situation in America is better than a war torn country. But why compare a country that is not war torn to one that is war torn?
Would I live in Yemen? No. I’d happily live in Qatar or UAE or Bahrain or Saudi or Turkey.
”Financial, mathematical and scientific literacy will not lead to more young people getting married or less children born to unmarried parents. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.”
In reality, there is certainly a proportion of young people who are avoiding marriage due to financial difficulties associated with low-wages ,unemployment and lack of savings. Therefore, investing in the technical skills of young individuals would increase the probability of them attaining better employment. This would reduce the financial factor[s] that are making marriage less attractive. How could you disagree with this?
”Of course the situation in America is better than a war torn country. But why compare a country that is not war torn to one that is war torn? Would I live in Yemen? No. I’d happily live in Qatar or UAE or Bahrain or Saudi or Turkey.”
In the U.S and in Western Europe, property rights are guaranteed for citizens and foreign investors. This can not be said for middle-eastern countries, who have poor records with the documented cases of partiality in their judicial systems. Furthermore, the migrant crisis in Qatar, whereby Indian and Sri-Lankan workers were effectively enslaved and made to work for free, in dangerous conditions. The Judicial system in Qatar failed them and continues to fail others-with their supposed just religion (aka ISLAM) not acting as a brake on abuse of foreign workers and migrants.
The record of SAUDI is even worse, with no checks and balances on their emperor, who butchered Khasoggi etc for merely expressing an opinion.
”He carried his sister’s limp body over the mountain to escape the fighting. Bullets flew around them and her blood stained his clothes.
“There was no chance of taking her to the hospital, we had to care for the others,” Mirwais told me as we sat in a tent ripped half open by the wind and dust that battered the displaced people’s camp where he lives east of Herat, Afghanistan’s third largest town. “When we crossed the mountain, she had lost her soul.”
Her name was Guldastah. It means “bouquet of flowers” in English. She bloomed no longer than fourteen years.
Twenty-nine-year-old Mirwais – who did not want us to use his real name – is one of many Afghans who have suffered in that country’s four-decades of armed conflict, but his story should resonate with the hundreds of people gathering in Amsterdam today for the International Conference on Mental Health and Psychosocial Support in Crisis Situations. The conference aims to highlight the mental health needs of people in emergency situations.
Mirwais’ traumatic experiences actually began before his sister’s death. In less than two years, the farmer from Faryab province said he lost most of his cattle to drought and had to flee his home more than 20 times due to fighting between the Taliban and Afghan government forces. Guldastah died during one of those escapes.
A few weeks after her death, Mirwais began to experience flashbacks and bouts of anger. “I had headaches and was angry at my family,” he explained. “Especially when it is noisy. If my kids are next to me, I beat them.”
Mirwais told me that beating one’s family is no honorable thing, so he began to seek help.
Afghanistan has been devastated by violence, and it is estimated that half the population experiences depression, anxiety, or post-traumatic stress, which can have a disastrous impact on people’s mental health and the well-being of their relatives and friends. Despite this, the government only spends about US$0.26 per capita on mental health, out of $7spent annually per capita on health services in general.
The World Health Organization says an appropriate mental health system in low-income countries such as Afghanistan would require an investment of $3 to $4 per capita. International donors have invested heavily in health services but focused their attention on physical, rather than mental health.
So, when Mirwais went to see a doctor the first time, he encountered what many Afghans experiencing psychological distress face: instead of being offered psychosocial support, he was told he had a stomach problem. Unsurprisingly, the medication he received did not help.
In April 2019, I travelled to Afghanistan for Human Rights Watch and interviewed 21 people in Kabul, Kandahar and Herat who had experienced psychological distress after direct exposure to conflict-related violence, such as suicide attacks, aerial bombardments, ground fighting, and detonations of unexploded munitions. Thirteen of these people had received little to no psychosocial support from public health services. Nine of them said they did not know that public mental health services existed.
Having again fled his home because of the drought and fighting, Mirwais today has limited access to a psychosocial counsellor provided by a nongovernmental organization in the displaced persons camp where he lives. But for many Afghans, accessing psychosocial support and mental health services remains a daunting task. For women and girls, the barriers stand higher still.
Over the past 15 years, the government has trained roughly 750 psychosocial counselors who can provide basic mental health counseling and facilitate referrals. But less than 10percent of the population is using these services. Those who do use them can suffer abuse, such as forced hospitalizations and treatments.
The health-seeking behavior of Afghans with mental health conditions is influenced by individual, cultural and structural barriers, ranging from poor knowledge about health and available services to poverty, social exclusion, stigma, gender discrimination and the ongoing conflict. But the government can and should do more to provide access to adequate mental health services and ensure that these services are comprehensive and free from coercion. Access to health care does not mean doling out more pills.
To start, the Afghan government should conduct public awareness campaigns to inform people about mental health, reduce stigma and highlight available services. It should instruct health workers to proactively provide referrals to mental health services, with special attention to the needs of women and children, and consider less expensive ways of providing psychosocial services, such as remote counseling through mobile phones.
Afghanistan’s international donors, many of whom are gathering in Amsterdam today, should continue their efforts to improve the mental health system through technical assistance and greater support. They should focus on providing medical and psychosocial counsellors with longer trainings, ensure the full inclusion of counseling psychology in university curricula, and encourage the government to deploy and retain more psychosocial counsellors, especially in rural areas.
“Everyone from the president to the average person admits that mental health is a problem in the country,” one Afghan mental health professional told me. “It’s shameful that the budget is so low.”
This lack of resources has a clear impact on people like Mirwais, their families and the Afghan public. But it does not absolve the government of its obligation to provide adequate mental health care, especially when international donors are available to help. And help they should.
Access to psychosocial support and mental health services is a basic human right.
In the report titled: ”Dispelling myths about mental health” by Dr Rafi Amir-Ud-Din it is mentioned that suicide rate in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is at an all time extraordinary high, with more than 50 million individuals suffering from psychiatric problems. Furthermore, the lack of economic opportunity is mentioned as an explicit cause of the large number of suicides in the country. This shows, that what I mentioned about ”measurable metrics” as being the real form of knowledge of a country’s success specifically in terms of GDP, Net Disposable Income per house-hold, Inflation-Rates, Interest-Rates etc as well military, scientific and technological metrics.
Pakistan, Afghanistan have huge problems with mental-health, marriage, suicide, violence, crime etc, far more than the west. We can look at the Muslim nations and they are even in worse shape: such as SYRIA, SOMALIA, CHAD, MALI, IRAQ, IRAN, NIGERIA etc, why are so many Muslim countries in the worst possible shape? Why can I not infer and blame their ”fundamental premises”, whilst you blame the ”fundamental premises of the West” for the tiny problems?
Look at the log in your eye, before blaming me for my speck.
Collins: In reality, there is certainly a proportion of young people who are avoiding marriage due to financial difficulties associated with low-wages ,unemployment and lack of savings. Therefore, investing in the technical skills of young individuals would increase the probability of them attaining better employment. This would reduce the financial factor[s] that are making marriage less attractive. How could you disagree with this?
The decline in marriage has more to do with an increase in the relative economic stature of women than with ‘low-wages, unemployment and lack of savings’. See Shenhav (2017).
Collins: In the U.S and in Western Europe, property rights are guaranteed for citizens and foreign investors. This can not be said for middle-eastern countries, who have poor records with the documented cases of partiality in their judicial systems.
Considering how high foreign investment is in countries like Qatar, etc. I’m pretty sure they have solid property rights.
Collins: Furthermore, the migrant crisis in Qatar, whereby Indian and Sri-Lankan workers were effectively enslaved and made to work for free, in dangerous conditions. The Judicial system in Qatar failed them and continues to fail others-with their supposed just religion (aka ISLAM) not acting as a brake on abuse of foreign workers and migrants.
Collins: Pakistan, Afghanistan have huge problems with mental-health, marriage, suicide, violence, crime etc, far more than the west.
Not really. I challenge you to present data showing that the average Pakistani or Afghan is less likely to be married, more likely to be depressed, more likely to commit suicide and more likely to engage in criminal activities compared to the average American.
Collins: We can look at the Muslim nations and they are even in worse shape: such as SYRIA, SOMALIA, CHAD, MALI, IRAQ, IRAN, NIGERIA etc, why are so many Muslim countries in the worst possible shape? Why can I not infer and blame their ”fundamental premises”, whilst you blame the ”fundamental premises of the West” for the tiny problems?
Look at the log in your eye, before blaming me for my speck.
You do know that Muslim nations also include rich countries like the UAE, Qatar, etc. and middle income countries like Turkey, Malaysia, etc.? Imagine how rich Iran would be if there were no sanctions.
Kmak, thanks for replying. I intend to respond to your comments, when possible. I was wondering if you could read my post, a few comments up where I reference Kolmogorov’s axioms. I am interested in your views on it. Thanks.
Kmak, what is your opinion on the following post that I made:
The two key premises highlighted by the individual are actually are demonstrably true. Here is the evidence:
#1 Individual Autonomy is deeply embedded in the human psyche. This is the correct ”Fitrah”.
How would you feel, if I dictated that you be forced into marriage against your will; eat food that you dislike, live in conditions that inflict pain upon you and wear clothes that you detest and so on?
Immediately, your natural reaction is rebellion and revulsion, since this is against your nature.
#2 Knowability of objective truth without God is true because mathematical axioms such as Kolmogorov axioms are known to be true, without any reference to God. Furthermore, the mathematician who introduced these foundational axioms, was a true atheist!
Here are the 3 Axioms in non-technical non-mathematical language, from whence many many rules.
The three axioms are:
For any event A, P(A) ≥ 0. In English, that’s “For any event A, the probability of A is greater or equal to 0”.
When S is the sample space of an experiment; i.e., the set of all possible outcomes, P(S) = 1. In English, that’s “The probability of any of the outcomes happening is one hundred percent”, or—paraphrasing— “anytime this experiment is performed, something happens”.
If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, P(A ∪ B ) = P(A) + P(B).
Here ∪ stands for ‘union’. We can read this by saying “If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, the probability of either A or B happening is the probability of A happening plus the probability of B happening”
Collin do you believe the key premises of the western world are aligned with the knowability of objective truth through reason with the acknowledgement of the prominence and Lordship of God? lol…
Are you an Atheist Collin? or perhaps you thinks the attainment and measure of success in God’s view is primarily attained in the progress and dominance in the materialistic, secular, capital world in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science? lol…
Collin, what are your key premises that you think are correct as an Atheist? That is if you are an Atheist? or if you believe in a god, what are your key premises? 🙂
Which objective truth are you in possession of, that is certainly true independent of the mind? This means that what we conceive as mind independent truths are still conditional upon being understood through the mind and so forth.
Interestingly, you mentioned ”reason” alongside theology, so let us begin:
Q1[a] : Can the existence and nature [including names, attributes, numbers, activities ] of angels, demons and souls be known through reason, or inferred from reason? Bear in mind, supernatural claims of revelation is not the parameter. Using intellectual faculties for deducting fiqh rulings and ”knowing” the correct creed from scripture is not what I have in mind. That is using reason as a tool to extrapolate conclusions from a scripture which is held by faith to be supernatural in origin, so the basis is not reason. Furthermore, the empirical validity is also zero of supernatural entities in a systematic measured method, further corroding the credibility of such invocations.
Q1[b]: If unobservable supernatural entities that are not rationally comprehendible [i.e an actual infinite, demonic spirits, angels etc] are also empirically unfounded, how could you speak of ”measure of success in God’s view ”? Furthermore, ”God’s view” is, even if the said scripture to be absolutely from Him, open to theological nuance, scholarly dispute and the problem of interpretation [which different sects in different parts of the world at different points in history interpret in mutually contradictory ways.]
As per my points on ”measurable metrics of success” then, they are agreed by rational senses through mutual consultation by all humans in all parts of the world, as being true to some extent and legitimate measures of success. Even religious people would agree that a man who has credible qualifications in his chosen religion is superior in terms of success than a believing ignorant and certainly an unbelieving ignorant. Additionally, a believing non-expert is inferior to a believing doctor, scholar etc or expert in a field of legitimate knowledge. Still, a rich-believer has more uses than a burdensome believer constantly begging and so forth. So these measures of success are held to be real by religious people, common sense, non-religious people and by Muslims.
I am correct on all fronts. 🙂
Lastly, as far as the state is concerned, it is all about measured metrics such as GDP, military funding, number of tanks, planes and soldiers etc, crime-rates, school-drop-out rates, employment figures etc etc, supernatural entities are not part of any country including Saudi Arabia’s official annual metrics of success files.
So Collins has come out of the closet as an atheist and materialist.
His syntax and vocabulary is warped and confused:
“Furthermore, the empirical validity is also zero of supernatural entities in a systematic measured method, further corroding the credibility of such invocations.”
I wonder if the meaningless void at the heart of his Weltanschauung is responsible?
Instead of dealing with the substance of my argumentation, you wish to engage in personal attacks on my alleged ”Weltanschauung”?
The summary of my contention is that:
Q1: Can the existence of supernatural entities, such as angels, demons and gods be known through reason alone?
Q2: If scripture is open to interpretation, especially within the context of a specific sociological and linguistic framework, then how could absolutist conclusions be drawn from it, due to its relativistic implications?
Q3: If the existence of these spiritual worlds [angels, demons, souls, principles of morality written on a spiritual plane i.e divine tablets, grave-punishments/rewards, heaven, hell, day of judgement etc, God] are not rationally comprehendible, nor known through reason and if there is no empirical evidence for them, does that weaken their credibility?
Q4: Which state can/does objectively measure ”success” in non-materialistic terms whilts placing importance upon them at a greater level than GDP, missiles, planes, tanks etc?
I read in a post by someone on Quora, that if one reads Irwin Schiff’s “how an economy grows as well as his son, Peter Schiff’s book of the same name and then watches the 10 hour “free to choose” series by Milton Friedman, that person will have more knowledge of economics than a PhD in economics. Does that statement sound accurate to some extent?
Also during the election here in the US I have mainly been supporting of Andrew Yang’s ideals. What is your opinion of UBI?
Also do you think its possible to find compatibility between Islam and free market capitalism?
‘I read in a post by someone on Quora, that if one reads Irwin Schiff’s “how an economy grows as well as his son, Peter Schiff’s book of the same name and then watches the 10 hour “free to choose” series by Milton Friedman, that person will have more knowledge of economics than a PhD in economics. Does that statement sound accurate to some extent?’
If only it was that easy. Did Milton Friedman himself learn economics or recommend learning economics by reading two books and watching some videos on YouTube?
‘Also during the election here in the US I have mainly been supporting of Andrew Yang’s ideals. What is your opinion of UBI?’
Bro, I’m some random guy in the internet. Does my opinion really matter? If you insist, I haven’t studied UBI enough to have a decisive opinion about it.
‘Also do you think its possible to find compatibility between Islam and free market capitalism?’
As someone with a PHD in Economics, I look at correlations and causality between variables. I can measure the extent to which an economy is free but I cannot measure Islam. As such, I don’t know the extent to which Islam and capitalism are correlated.
As far as doctrines are concerned, all major Islamic schools of thought recognize private property which is one of the fundamental ingredients of capitalism. There is also a hadith in which the Prophet(saw) refused to reduce the prices of certain goods because ‘prices are in the Hands of God’. To an economist, this sounds like a warning against interfering with market determined prices.
In contrast, Zakah is not compatible with free market capitalism. Interestingly, Zakah is a non-distortionary tax which means that it doesn’t distort incentives and, thereby, market allocation of resources.
What is certain about the relationship between Islam and economics is that Islam is NOT compatible with communism.
According to an ex-Muslim Professor of Physics, Pervez Hoodbhoy:
”Let’s face it: the day of the Sky God is long gone.”
In the Age of Science, religion has been downsized, and the medieval God of classical religions
has lost repute and territory. Today people pay lip service to trusting that God but they still swallow
antibiotics when sick. Muslim-run airlines start a plane journey with prayers but ask passengers to
buckle-up anyway, and most suspect that people who appear to rise miraculously from the dead
were probably not quite dead to begin with. These days if you hear a voice telling you to sacrifice your only son, you would probably report it to the authorities instead of taking the poor lad up a
mountain. The old trust is disappearing.”
A report titled‘48.7% youth in Karachi want to leave the country’ is clear proof that a significant proportion of the youth in Pakistan are suffering from depression. I consider this as legitimate proof for my thesis. Other reports of a similar nature report much higher percentages. The situation in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen is probably far worse.
Additionally, the higher marriage rates can be attributed to a) arranged-marriages b) forced-marriages c) cousin-marriages and d) lack of interesting goals in life due to skill-shortages and lack of entertainment.
I am unmarried because I have busy-schedule which I love and adore-far more than a depreciating asset, the nagging wife. I consider low-marriage rates with higher self-esteem, strong academic achievements and fulfillment in non-marital activities. 🙂
Collins: A report titled‘48.7% youth in Karachi want to leave the country’ is clear proof that a significant proportion of the youth in Pakistan are suffering from depression. I consider this as legitimate proof for my thesis
That is one of the dumbest things I have heard. People migrate either to escape persecution or for economic reasons. They don’t migrate because they feel depressed. Name just ONE paper that finds a statistically significant relationship between migration and depression.
Collins: I am unmarried because I have busy-schedule which I love and adore-far more than a depreciating asset, the nagging wife.
According to Dr.Collins, the majority of Pakistani youths suffer from depression because 48% want to leave the country. According to the World Values Survey (2017-2020), about 50% of Pakistanis between 25 and 34 years old are very happy. In contrast, 35% of Danish youths are very happy, 23% of Finnish youth are very happy and 24% of German youth are very happy.
All statistical compilations are inherently imperfect. This does not negate their usefulness but it is important to note that when deducting conclusions. The self-reported nature of the questionnaire where subjective emotions are classified can demonstrate false narratives. But when approximately half the population want to leave, in conjunction with the objectively measured figures in GDP, income-inequality, corruption, violence are negative than we can draw reasonable conclusions.
In short, the self-reported depression figures from Europe and the U.S should not be accepted-when people are ungrateful about how well they are doing, its their problem, not mine. In Pakistan, the depression is real because they are broke and in a state of political, economic destruction.
Collins: In short, the self-reported depression figures from Europe and the U.S should not be accepted-when people are ungrateful about how well they are doing, its their problem, not mine.
In other words, the data are wrong because they are in not conformity with your ignorance. You still haven’t answered what you are a doctor of?
Accurate summary from Ismail here. It is unfortunate the devil in disguise of “liberalism” is slowly and certainly a damage to human nature and traditional values that have made much more sense to humans and our fitrah for centuries.
Absolutely.
If the west is fucked, according to you, then why is it still the most dominant in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science (science & technology are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) etc?
Furthermore, if the ”key premises of the west” are wrong, then whose premises are correct? Afghanistan’s, Somalia’s, Syria’s? They are doing great, right? LOOL!!!!!
The West’s postmodernism has lead to nihilism and the loss of God. Mother Teresa details some of the consequences:
“The greatest disease in the West today is not TB or leprosy; it is being unwanted, unloved, and uncared for. We can cure physical diseases with medicine, but the only cure for loneliness, despair, and hopelessness is love. There are many in the world who are dying for a piece of bread but there are many more dying for a little love. The poverty in the West is a different kind of poverty — it is not only a poverty of loneliness but also of spirituality. There’s a hunger for love, as there is a hunger for God.”
~ Mother Teresa, A Simple Path
The statement that you mentioned, is the battle-cry of the chronic masturbator and serial science-denier. Lastly, this individual who possesses this mindset is ungrateful to the gifts of prosperity that rational empiricism has brought.
Dr.Collins: If the west is fucked, according to you, then why is it still the most dominant in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science (science & technology are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS) etc?
Is the West also leading the world on marriage, family and mental health?
”Is the West also leading the world on marriage, family and mental health?”
The west has strictest enforcement of rational laws on the protection of women, children from abusive men in the world-to the point where state support in the form of financial benefits for poverty stricken women and her dependents is provided. The state support is not limited to money but also help with rent through social-housing, tax-credits, vouchers of various sorts, free-libraries for intellectual fulfilment, free-health-care, free-dental and eye-care etc. Does Afghanistan provide this or is it Somalia, Ethiopia, Syria etc or Yemen? In those countries, where Salafi Islam and Deobandi Islam, the two most literal minded forms of Islam reigns supreme, women are regularly raped, economy is destroyed and homosexual rape, pedophilia is common and unpunished and bribery etc etc
You are extremely ignorant of the WEST and the EAST because you are generally an illiterate unemployed brainwashed fool.
Do you know how many Muslims are immigrating to the west because they KNOW IT IS BETTER THAN THEM IN EVERY WAY?
The two key premises highlighted by the individual are actually are demonstrably true. Here is the evidence:
#1 Individual Autonomy is deeply embedded in the human psyche. This is the correct ”Fitrah”.
How would you feel, if I dictated that you be forced into marriage against your will; eat food that you dislike, live in conditions that inflict pain upon you and wear clothes that you detest and so on?
Immediately, your natural reaction is rebellion and revulsion, since this is against your nature.
#2 Knowability of objective truth without God is true because mathematical axioms such as Kolmogorov axioms are known to be true, without any reference to God. Furthermore, the mathematician who introduced these foundational axioms, was a true atheist!
Here are the 3 Axioms in non-technical non-mathematical language, from whence many many rules.
The three axioms are:
For any event A, P(A) ≥ 0. In English, that’s “For any event A, the probability of A is greater or equal to 0”.
When S is the sample space of an experiment; i.e., the set of all possible outcomes, P(S) = 1. In English, that’s “The probability of any of the outcomes happening is one hundred percent”, or—paraphrasing— “anytime this experiment is performed, something happens”.
If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, P(A ∪ B ) = P(A) + P(B).
Here ∪ stands for ‘union’. We can read this by saying “If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, the probability of either A or B happening is the probability of A happening plus the probability of B happening”
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Amanothali A, ”human nature” is not some self-evident truth, furthermore, what exactly is meant by ”human nature”? Furthermore, ”traditional values” are sociological constructs that are situation-specific, entirely at the mercy of historical trends-nothing ”objective” them in any shape or sense.
In your country, INDIA, it made a lot of sense to ”burn women alive when their husbands died, alongside their corpses” this was the FITRAH FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
I am glad this ”traditional value” is dead, alongside all other ”social impositions” by ignorant barbarians.
I really cannot believe you call yourself DR Collins. Where do we start?
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You said
“In your country, INDIA, it made a lot of sense to ”burn women alive when their husbands died, alongside their corpses” this was the FITRAH FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.”
Only a fool would say “this was a fitrah for thousands of years” what a laughing stock. The fitra (even on a minimum level) is what is and will be installed in all humans naturally throughout human history, however long the human race will last, regardless of faiths or no faiths. Also what on earth has the fitrah got to do with a particular Hindu practice? And also what made you say, “your country INDIA”? Would you like to take another guess please?
That’s just one paragraph of your trolling. I may deal with your first paragraph after you can decide to be more civilised in your communication with me.
Collins should apologise.
Dr. Collins: You are extremely ignorant of the WEST and the EAST because you are generally an illiterate unemployed brainwashed fool.
Actually, I have a PHD in Economics from an American university. I also teach Economics in a college near where I live. What is your doctorate in?
I asked you if the West is leading the Muslim world on marriage, family and mental health? The answer is no. For instance, in the US alone marriage rates are on the decline, the fraction of children born to unmarried parents is on the rise, the fraction of children living in single parent households is on the rise, the fraction of young adults living with their parents is on the rise, promiscuity is on the rise, the fraction of people who are on disability benefits is on the rise, and suicide rates among prime age men is on the rise.
The West is a world leader in the silent holocaust of the unborn: abortion.
A crime against humanity.
The west is definitely the most successful in terms of life-satisfaction as measured by the number of nuclear weapons being produced. I define ”life-satisfaction” as being based primarily on possessing the most powerful military.
Kmak, all of those statistics demonstrate that drug-addiction needs to be eradicated in conjunction with financial, mathematical and scientific illiteracy, through targeted programs. Furthermore, the situation is still better than war-torn countries. If you disagree, why not live in Yemen?
Dr. Collins: Kmak, all of those statistics demonstrate that drug-addiction needs to be eradicated in conjunction with financial, mathematical and scientific illiteracy, through targeted programs. Furthermore, the situation is still better than war-torn countries. If you disagree, why not live in Yemen?
No Collins. Drug addiction isn’t responsible for declining marriage, etc. Financial, mathematical and scientific literacy will not lead to more young people getting married or less children born to unmarried parents. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
Of course the situation in America is better than a war torn country. But why compare a country that is not war torn to one that is war torn?
Would I live in Yemen? No. I’d happily live in Qatar or UAE or Bahrain or Saudi or Turkey.
You stated:
”Financial, mathematical and scientific literacy will not lead to more young people getting married or less children born to unmarried parents. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.”
In reality, there is certainly a proportion of young people who are avoiding marriage due to financial difficulties associated with low-wages ,unemployment and lack of savings. Therefore, investing in the technical skills of young individuals would increase the probability of them attaining better employment. This would reduce the financial factor[s] that are making marriage less attractive. How could you disagree with this?
Furthermore, you mentioned that:
”Of course the situation in America is better than a war torn country. But why compare a country that is not war torn to one that is war torn? Would I live in Yemen? No. I’d happily live in Qatar or UAE or Bahrain or Saudi or Turkey.”
In the U.S and in Western Europe, property rights are guaranteed for citizens and foreign investors. This can not be said for middle-eastern countries, who have poor records with the documented cases of partiality in their judicial systems. Furthermore, the migrant crisis in Qatar, whereby Indian and Sri-Lankan workers were effectively enslaved and made to work for free, in dangerous conditions. The Judicial system in Qatar failed them and continues to fail others-with their supposed just religion (aka ISLAM) not acting as a brake on abuse of foreign workers and migrants.
The record of SAUDI is even worse, with no checks and balances on their emperor, who butchered Khasoggi etc for merely expressing an opinion.
Here is an important report titled:
”Afghanistan’s Silent Mental Health Crisis”
”He carried his sister’s limp body over the mountain to escape the fighting. Bullets flew around them and her blood stained his clothes.
“There was no chance of taking her to the hospital, we had to care for the others,” Mirwais told me as we sat in a tent ripped half open by the wind and dust that battered the displaced people’s camp where he lives east of Herat, Afghanistan’s third largest town. “When we crossed the mountain, she had lost her soul.”
Her name was Guldastah. It means “bouquet of flowers” in English. She bloomed no longer than fourteen years.
Twenty-nine-year-old Mirwais – who did not want us to use his real name – is one of many Afghans who have suffered in that country’s four-decades of armed conflict, but his story should resonate with the hundreds of people gathering in Amsterdam today for the International Conference on Mental Health and Psychosocial Support in Crisis Situations. The conference aims to highlight the mental health needs of people in emergency situations.
Mirwais’ traumatic experiences actually began before his sister’s death. In less than two years, the farmer from Faryab province said he lost most of his cattle to drought and had to flee his home more than 20 times due to fighting between the Taliban and Afghan government forces. Guldastah died during one of those escapes.
A few weeks after her death, Mirwais began to experience flashbacks and bouts of anger. “I had headaches and was angry at my family,” he explained. “Especially when it is noisy. If my kids are next to me, I beat them.”
Mirwais told me that beating one’s family is no honorable thing, so he began to seek help.
Afghanistan has been devastated by violence, and it is estimated that half the population experiences depression, anxiety, or post-traumatic stress, which can have a disastrous impact on people’s mental health and the well-being of their relatives and friends. Despite this, the government only spends about US$0.26 per capita on mental health, out of $7spent annually per capita on health services in general.
The World Health Organization says an appropriate mental health system in low-income countries such as Afghanistan would require an investment of $3 to $4 per capita. International donors have invested heavily in health services but focused their attention on physical, rather than mental health.
So, when Mirwais went to see a doctor the first time, he encountered what many Afghans experiencing psychological distress face: instead of being offered psychosocial support, he was told he had a stomach problem. Unsurprisingly, the medication he received did not help.
In April 2019, I travelled to Afghanistan for Human Rights Watch and interviewed 21 people in Kabul, Kandahar and Herat who had experienced psychological distress after direct exposure to conflict-related violence, such as suicide attacks, aerial bombardments, ground fighting, and detonations of unexploded munitions. Thirteen of these people had received little to no psychosocial support from public health services. Nine of them said they did not know that public mental health services existed.
Having again fled his home because of the drought and fighting, Mirwais today has limited access to a psychosocial counsellor provided by a nongovernmental organization in the displaced persons camp where he lives. But for many Afghans, accessing psychosocial support and mental health services remains a daunting task. For women and girls, the barriers stand higher still.
Over the past 15 years, the government has trained roughly 750 psychosocial counselors who can provide basic mental health counseling and facilitate referrals. But less than 10percent of the population is using these services. Those who do use them can suffer abuse, such as forced hospitalizations and treatments.
The health-seeking behavior of Afghans with mental health conditions is influenced by individual, cultural and structural barriers, ranging from poor knowledge about health and available services to poverty, social exclusion, stigma, gender discrimination and the ongoing conflict. But the government can and should do more to provide access to adequate mental health services and ensure that these services are comprehensive and free from coercion. Access to health care does not mean doling out more pills.
To start, the Afghan government should conduct public awareness campaigns to inform people about mental health, reduce stigma and highlight available services. It should instruct health workers to proactively provide referrals to mental health services, with special attention to the needs of women and children, and consider less expensive ways of providing psychosocial services, such as remote counseling through mobile phones.
Afghanistan’s international donors, many of whom are gathering in Amsterdam today, should continue their efforts to improve the mental health system through technical assistance and greater support. They should focus on providing medical and psychosocial counsellors with longer trainings, ensure the full inclusion of counseling psychology in university curricula, and encourage the government to deploy and retain more psychosocial counsellors, especially in rural areas.
“Everyone from the president to the average person admits that mental health is a problem in the country,” one Afghan mental health professional told me. “It’s shameful that the budget is so low.”
This lack of resources has a clear impact on people like Mirwais, their families and the Afghan public. But it does not absolve the government of its obligation to provide adequate mental health care, especially when international donors are available to help. And help they should.
Access to psychosocial support and mental health services is a basic human right.
In the report titled: ”Dispelling myths about mental health” by Dr Rafi Amir-Ud-Din it is mentioned that suicide rate in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is at an all time extraordinary high, with more than 50 million individuals suffering from psychiatric problems. Furthermore, the lack of economic opportunity is mentioned as an explicit cause of the large number of suicides in the country. This shows, that what I mentioned about ”measurable metrics” as being the real form of knowledge of a country’s success specifically in terms of GDP, Net Disposable Income per house-hold, Inflation-Rates, Interest-Rates etc as well military, scientific and technological metrics.
Here is the report for you to analyse:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/614383-dispelling-myths-about-mental-health
Pakistan, Afghanistan have huge problems with mental-health, marriage, suicide, violence, crime etc, far more than the west. We can look at the Muslim nations and they are even in worse shape: such as SYRIA, SOMALIA, CHAD, MALI, IRAQ, IRAN, NIGERIA etc, why are so many Muslim countries in the worst possible shape? Why can I not infer and blame their ”fundamental premises”, whilst you blame the ”fundamental premises of the West” for the tiny problems?
Look at the log in your eye, before blaming me for my speck.
Collins: In reality, there is certainly a proportion of young people who are avoiding marriage due to financial difficulties associated with low-wages ,unemployment and lack of savings. Therefore, investing in the technical skills of young individuals would increase the probability of them attaining better employment. This would reduce the financial factor[s] that are making marriage less attractive. How could you disagree with this?
The decline in marriage has more to do with an increase in the relative economic stature of women than with ‘low-wages, unemployment and lack of savings’. See Shenhav (2017).
Collins: In the U.S and in Western Europe, property rights are guaranteed for citizens and foreign investors. This can not be said for middle-eastern countries, who have poor records with the documented cases of partiality in their judicial systems.
Considering how high foreign investment is in countries like Qatar, etc. I’m pretty sure they have solid property rights.
Collins: Furthermore, the migrant crisis in Qatar, whereby Indian and Sri-Lankan workers were effectively enslaved and made to work for free, in dangerous conditions. The Judicial system in Qatar failed them and continues to fail others-with their supposed just religion (aka ISLAM) not acting as a brake on abuse of foreign workers and migrants.
Can’t argue with that.
Collins: Pakistan, Afghanistan have huge problems with mental-health, marriage, suicide, violence, crime etc, far more than the west.
Not really. I challenge you to present data showing that the average Pakistani or Afghan is less likely to be married, more likely to be depressed, more likely to commit suicide and more likely to engage in criminal activities compared to the average American.
Collins: We can look at the Muslim nations and they are even in worse shape: such as SYRIA, SOMALIA, CHAD, MALI, IRAQ, IRAN, NIGERIA etc, why are so many Muslim countries in the worst possible shape? Why can I not infer and blame their ”fundamental premises”, whilst you blame the ”fundamental premises of the West” for the tiny problems?
Look at the log in your eye, before blaming me for my speck.
You do know that Muslim nations also include rich countries like the UAE, Qatar, etc. and middle income countries like Turkey, Malaysia, etc.? Imagine how rich Iran would be if there were no sanctions.
Kmak, thanks for replying. I intend to respond to your comments, when possible. I was wondering if you could read my post, a few comments up where I reference Kolmogorov’s axioms. I am interested in your views on it. Thanks.
Kmak, what is your opinion on the following post that I made:
The two key premises highlighted by the individual are actually are demonstrably true. Here is the evidence:
#1 Individual Autonomy is deeply embedded in the human psyche. This is the correct ”Fitrah”.
How would you feel, if I dictated that you be forced into marriage against your will; eat food that you dislike, live in conditions that inflict pain upon you and wear clothes that you detest and so on?
Immediately, your natural reaction is rebellion and revulsion, since this is against your nature.
#2 Knowability of objective truth without God is true because mathematical axioms such as Kolmogorov axioms are known to be true, without any reference to God. Furthermore, the mathematician who introduced these foundational axioms, was a true atheist!
Here are the 3 Axioms in non-technical non-mathematical language, from whence many many rules.
The three axioms are:
For any event A, P(A) ≥ 0. In English, that’s “For any event A, the probability of A is greater or equal to 0”.
When S is the sample space of an experiment; i.e., the set of all possible outcomes, P(S) = 1. In English, that’s “The probability of any of the outcomes happening is one hundred percent”, or—paraphrasing— “anytime this experiment is performed, something happens”.
If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, P(A ∪ B ) = P(A) + P(B).
Here ∪ stands for ‘union’. We can read this by saying “If A and B are mutually exclusive outcomes, the probability of either A or B happening is the probability of A happening plus the probability of B happening”
Collin do you believe the key premises of the western world are aligned with the knowability of objective truth through reason with the acknowledgement of the prominence and Lordship of God? lol…
Are you an Atheist Collin? or perhaps you thinks the attainment and measure of success in God’s view is primarily attained in the progress and dominance in the materialistic, secular, capital world in every measured sector i.e economy, military, academia, individual freedom, free-speech, disposable income per household, technology, science? lol…
Collin, what are your key premises that you think are correct as an Atheist? That is if you are an Atheist? or if you believe in a god, what are your key premises? 🙂
Good luck getting an answer from Collin. Methinks he is just a troll.
Which objective truth are you in possession of, that is certainly true independent of the mind? This means that what we conceive as mind independent truths are still conditional upon being understood through the mind and so forth.
Interestingly, you mentioned ”reason” alongside theology, so let us begin:
Q1[a] : Can the existence and nature [including names, attributes, numbers, activities ] of angels, demons and souls be known through reason, or inferred from reason? Bear in mind, supernatural claims of revelation is not the parameter. Using intellectual faculties for deducting fiqh rulings and ”knowing” the correct creed from scripture is not what I have in mind. That is using reason as a tool to extrapolate conclusions from a scripture which is held by faith to be supernatural in origin, so the basis is not reason. Furthermore, the empirical validity is also zero of supernatural entities in a systematic measured method, further corroding the credibility of such invocations.
Q1[b]: If unobservable supernatural entities that are not rationally comprehendible [i.e an actual infinite, demonic spirits, angels etc] are also empirically unfounded, how could you speak of ”measure of success in God’s view ”? Furthermore, ”God’s view” is, even if the said scripture to be absolutely from Him, open to theological nuance, scholarly dispute and the problem of interpretation [which different sects in different parts of the world at different points in history interpret in mutually contradictory ways.]
As per my points on ”measurable metrics of success” then, they are agreed by rational senses through mutual consultation by all humans in all parts of the world, as being true to some extent and legitimate measures of success. Even religious people would agree that a man who has credible qualifications in his chosen religion is superior in terms of success than a believing ignorant and certainly an unbelieving ignorant. Additionally, a believing non-expert is inferior to a believing doctor, scholar etc or expert in a field of legitimate knowledge. Still, a rich-believer has more uses than a burdensome believer constantly begging and so forth. So these measures of success are held to be real by religious people, common sense, non-religious people and by Muslims.
I am correct on all fronts. 🙂
Lastly, as far as the state is concerned, it is all about measured metrics such as GDP, military funding, number of tanks, planes and soldiers etc, crime-rates, school-drop-out rates, employment figures etc etc, supernatural entities are not part of any country including Saudi Arabia’s official annual metrics of success files.
So Collins has come out of the closet as an atheist and materialist.
His syntax and vocabulary is warped and confused:
“Furthermore, the empirical validity is also zero of supernatural entities in a systematic measured method, further corroding the credibility of such invocations.”
I wonder if the meaningless void at the heart of his Weltanschauung is responsible?
Instead of dealing with the substance of my argumentation, you wish to engage in personal attacks on my alleged ”Weltanschauung”?
The summary of my contention is that:
Q1: Can the existence of supernatural entities, such as angels, demons and gods be known through reason alone?
Q2: If scripture is open to interpretation, especially within the context of a specific sociological and linguistic framework, then how could absolutist conclusions be drawn from it, due to its relativistic implications?
Q3: If the existence of these spiritual worlds [angels, demons, souls, principles of morality written on a spiritual plane i.e divine tablets, grave-punishments/rewards, heaven, hell, day of judgement etc, God] are not rationally comprehendible, nor known through reason and if there is no empirical evidence for them, does that weaken their credibility?
Q4: Which state can/does objectively measure ”success” in non-materialistic terms whilts placing importance upon them at a greater level than GDP, missiles, planes, tanks etc?
@Kmak
I read in a post by someone on Quora, that if one reads Irwin Schiff’s “how an economy grows as well as his son, Peter Schiff’s book of the same name and then watches the 10 hour “free to choose” series by Milton Friedman, that person will have more knowledge of economics than a PhD in economics. Does that statement sound accurate to some extent?
Also during the election here in the US I have mainly been supporting of Andrew Yang’s ideals. What is your opinion of UBI?
Also do you think its possible to find compatibility between Islam and free market capitalism?
‘I read in a post by someone on Quora, that if one reads Irwin Schiff’s “how an economy grows as well as his son, Peter Schiff’s book of the same name and then watches the 10 hour “free to choose” series by Milton Friedman, that person will have more knowledge of economics than a PhD in economics. Does that statement sound accurate to some extent?’
If only it was that easy. Did Milton Friedman himself learn economics or recommend learning economics by reading two books and watching some videos on YouTube?
‘Also during the election here in the US I have mainly been supporting of Andrew Yang’s ideals. What is your opinion of UBI?’
Bro, I’m some random guy in the internet. Does my opinion really matter? If you insist, I haven’t studied UBI enough to have a decisive opinion about it.
‘Also do you think its possible to find compatibility between Islam and free market capitalism?’
As someone with a PHD in Economics, I look at correlations and causality between variables. I can measure the extent to which an economy is free but I cannot measure Islam. As such, I don’t know the extent to which Islam and capitalism are correlated.
As far as doctrines are concerned, all major Islamic schools of thought recognize private property which is one of the fundamental ingredients of capitalism. There is also a hadith in which the Prophet(saw) refused to reduce the prices of certain goods because ‘prices are in the Hands of God’. To an economist, this sounds like a warning against interfering with market determined prices.
In contrast, Zakah is not compatible with free market capitalism. Interestingly, Zakah is a non-distortionary tax which means that it doesn’t distort incentives and, thereby, market allocation of resources.
What is certain about the relationship between Islam and economics is that Islam is NOT compatible with communism.
According to an ex-Muslim Professor of Physics, Pervez Hoodbhoy:
”Let’s face it: the day of the Sky God is long gone.”
In the Age of Science, religion has been downsized, and the medieval God of classical religions
has lost repute and territory. Today people pay lip service to trusting that God but they still swallow
antibiotics when sick. Muslim-run airlines start a plane journey with prayers but ask passengers to
buckle-up anyway, and most suspect that people who appear to rise miraculously from the dead
were probably not quite dead to begin with. These days if you hear a voice telling you to sacrifice your only son, you would probably report it to the authorities instead of taking the poor lad up a
mountain. The old trust is disappearing.”
A report titled‘48.7% youth in Karachi want to leave the country’ is clear proof that a significant proportion of the youth in Pakistan are suffering from depression. I consider this as legitimate proof for my thesis. Other reports of a similar nature report much higher percentages. The situation in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen is probably far worse.
Additionally, the higher marriage rates can be attributed to a) arranged-marriages b) forced-marriages c) cousin-marriages and d) lack of interesting goals in life due to skill-shortages and lack of entertainment.
I am unmarried because I have busy-schedule which I love and adore-far more than a depreciating asset, the nagging wife. I consider low-marriage rates with higher self-esteem, strong academic achievements and fulfillment in non-marital activities. 🙂
Mental illnesses in Pakistan on the rise due to coronavirus, say experts
https://www.geo.tv/latest/312671-mental-illnesses-in-pakistan-on-the-rise-due-to-coronavirus-say-experts
Collins: A report titled‘48.7% youth in Karachi want to leave the country’ is clear proof that a significant proportion of the youth in Pakistan are suffering from depression. I consider this as legitimate proof for my thesis
That is one of the dumbest things I have heard. People migrate either to escape persecution or for economic reasons. They don’t migrate because they feel depressed. Name just ONE paper that finds a statistically significant relationship between migration and depression.
Collins: I am unmarried because I have busy-schedule which I love and adore-far more than a depreciating asset, the nagging wife.
Lol, yeah sure.
Kmak, are you stating the following:
P1: Levels of depression are lower in Pakistan than the West.
If the answer is yes, what is your proof?
Furthermore, what is the implication from such a study? What are you trying to establish?
What exactly is your doctorate in, Collins?
According to Dr.Collins, the majority of Pakistani youths suffer from depression because 48% want to leave the country. According to the World Values Survey (2017-2020), about 50% of Pakistanis between 25 and 34 years old are very happy. In contrast, 35% of Danish youths are very happy, 23% of Finnish youth are very happy and 24% of German youth are very happy.
All statistical compilations are inherently imperfect. This does not negate their usefulness but it is important to note that when deducting conclusions. The self-reported nature of the questionnaire where subjective emotions are classified can demonstrate false narratives. But when approximately half the population want to leave, in conjunction with the objectively measured figures in GDP, income-inequality, corruption, violence are negative than we can draw reasonable conclusions.
In short, the self-reported depression figures from Europe and the U.S should not be accepted-when people are ungrateful about how well they are doing, its their problem, not mine. In Pakistan, the depression is real because they are broke and in a state of political, economic destruction.
Collins: In short, the self-reported depression figures from Europe and the U.S should not be accepted-when people are ungrateful about how well they are doing, its their problem, not mine.
In other words, the data are wrong because they are in not conformity with your ignorance. You still haven’t answered what you are a doctor of?
Collin, you have been advised, now take heed 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj62vrD6k-0