I agree with both of you. To brother Paul’s important point, other decent Muslims (not just Dr Shabir Aly) should condemn the doxing methods used and even other decent Christians have their right to be concerned hence why Abdullah is correct to an extent, scums like David Wood are scums, it’s rich coming from his mouth to critisise anything. However do not label them horrible individuals as Christians. You can call them “so-called Christians” or “filthy” but please clarify when we say “filthy christians” we don’t unintentionally drag other decent Christians into this (I know you meant well brother Abdullah but those hate preacher could take this out of context easily). For we have disagreements in doctrine and belief with most ordinary Christians but it is much more than diasgreements with hate preachers like David Wood. The former we can respect despite disagreements, the same cannot be said of the latter.
Muslims -as you know- have the concept of Nasihah(advising). But we do not simply give up in our brother in Islam just because of his mistakes. And many muslims have already spoken to Ijaz about the matter.
But what caught my attention the most is that the first channel I have seen which uploaded this video is Sam’s Channel?! Why on earth does Sam have an issue with the language used by Ijaz? What’s Sam’s problem exactly? 🤷🏻♂️ Are those filthy christians kidding me? This is their language and the language of missionaries that muslims hear all the time.
Not to mention that the video itself complains about Ijaz because he blasphemed the name of Jesus! As if those christians did not insult the prophet pbuh and Qur’ān all the time.
And here’s David Woods! https://mobile.twitter.com/Acts17/status/745654254724079616
Also, Jesus calls the Pharisees (snakes, sons of Satan, and breeds of vipers) !!
I understand that muslims have an issue with Ijaz’s language, but I can’t see why christians have problem with that. It’s remarkable how they turn on the face of “drama queen” quickly as if they were so innocent.
‘Muslims -as you know- have the concept of Nasihah(advising). But we do not simply give up in our brother in Islam just because of his mistakes. And many muslims have already spoken to Ijaz about the matter.’
I get that, but presumably Dr Shabir Ally did the same and still managed to publicly dissociate himself from Ijaz’s behaviour. No one else to my knowledge has done so. Why? They never do!
“No one else to my knowledge has done so. Why? They never do!”
I don’t know to be honest!
But here’re some options
1) They simply don’t want to?
2) They think it’s better to have a private discussion with Ijaz because publicity would increase the problem especially when they know that the opponent are filthy christians who are opportunist, and they don’t miss a chance to attack da’wah as whole?
3)They think what Ijaz did is not a big mistake to be cried about, rather it’s a momental thing came out because of the spirit of a fiery debate?
I don’t think those filthy christians are in position to criticize Ijaz. They should see the trunk in their eyes first.
I notice that no Muslims have spoken out publicly about this – except Dr Shabir Ally. Why is this?
I agree with both of you. To brother Paul’s important point, other decent Muslims (not just Dr Shabir Aly) should condemn the doxing methods used and even other decent Christians have their right to be concerned hence why Abdullah is correct to an extent, scums like David Wood are scums, it’s rich coming from his mouth to critisise anything. However do not label them horrible individuals as Christians. You can call them “so-called Christians” or “filthy” but please clarify when we say “filthy christians” we don’t unintentionally drag other decent Christians into this (I know you meant well brother Abdullah but those hate preacher could take this out of context easily). For we have disagreements in doctrine and belief with most ordinary Christians but it is much more than diasgreements with hate preachers like David Wood. The former we can respect despite disagreements, the same cannot be said of the latter.
Muslims -as you know- have the concept of Nasihah(advising). But we do not simply give up in our brother in Islam just because of his mistakes. And many muslims have already spoken to Ijaz about the matter.
But what caught my attention the most is that the first channel I have seen which uploaded this video is Sam’s Channel?! Why on earth does Sam have an issue with the language used by Ijaz? What’s Sam’s problem exactly? 🤷🏻♂️ Are those filthy christians kidding me? This is their language and the language of missionaries that muslims hear all the time.
Not to mention that the video itself complains about Ijaz because he blasphemed the name of Jesus! As if those christians did not insult the prophet pbuh and Qur’ān all the time.
And here’s David Woods!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Acts17/status/745654254724079616
Also, Jesus calls the Pharisees (snakes, sons of Satan, and breeds of vipers) !!
I understand that muslims have an issue with Ijaz’s language, but I can’t see why christians have problem with that. It’s remarkable how they turn on the face of “drama queen” quickly as if they were so innocent.
‘Muslims -as you know- have the concept of Nasihah(advising). But we do not simply give up in our brother in Islam just because of his mistakes. And many muslims have already spoken to Ijaz about the matter.’
I get that, but presumably Dr Shabir Ally did the same and still managed to publicly dissociate himself from Ijaz’s behaviour. No one else to my knowledge has done so. Why? They never do!
Your points about Sam et al are good.
“No one else to my knowledge has done so. Why? They never do!”
I don’t know to be honest!
But here’re some options
1) They simply don’t want to?
2) They think it’s better to have a private discussion with Ijaz because publicity would increase the problem especially when they know that the opponent are filthy christians who are opportunist, and they don’t miss a chance to attack da’wah as whole?
3)They think what Ijaz did is not a big mistake to be cried about, rather it’s a momental thing came out because of the spirit of a fiery debate?