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  1. Paul first time commenter here i was extremely sadned to here about your apostasy could you tell me about why you left islam what you identify as now and do you think you will ever be a muslim again

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    • Sorry im not up for discussing it here. I have talked about the reasons a hundred times and Muslims just don’t get it. Life is too short.

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      • Sorry for making you uncomfortable its just that the news made me quite sad i know that may be a bit strange to some people but it did. Have you gone completely anti islam and anti muslim or is your position more complex because on your twitter you said that you had left islam along time ago and you have continued posting content which seems to be pro islam secondly was this apostasy hidden to people until recently or public thirdly to put it in a blunt and inoffensive way were you a munafiq.

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      • Like i already said im not up for discussing it here.

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      • Yeah you’re right. Life IS too short. Which is why anyone with fucking sense doesn’t apostatize. You’re fucking 40, maybe even older. When are you going to wake the fuck up and wisen the fuck up? You’re going to fucking die and then what? Ready for hell Paulie-boy?

        Seriously, “race realist”? Get the fuck out of here. Only nigger here is you, pale faggot. Go die in your rage. You’re 40 and still a brat.

        Now kindly get corona and get lost. God knows we don’t need a worthless parasite like you, whose only achievement in life is being born an Englishman. Yeah you’re English, so fucking what? Want a medal for that? Idiot.

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  2. Will you be discussing it a later time

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  3. Dear palenigger

    For heavens sake man, develop a sense of courtesy and good manners ! Mr Williams and I have had our theological differences in the past, but he always conducted himself well. It is you who reveal your barbarity and silliness in this message. Shame on you.

    Yours Sincerely

    Nobody of any Importance.

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    • Thanks dude. I get abused like this by Muslims on a fairly regular basis.

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      • Sorry for the treatment you get but with the greatest of respect your on the internet thats no excuse but when your on the Internet you deal with alot of stupid people ive dealt with them usually stupidity coming from evangelicals,zionists hindutva and exmuslims coming talking out of they’re backside about how they know so much and how intelligent they bringing more insults than actual pionts and when you give back the insults they give actually trying and adab police you all of these people and even some muslims have made the public space on the Internet a cesspool of arrogance and ignorance and to large extent i think the internet was already that before the advent of the internet dawah scene. I think conversations face to face work out alot better because on a keyboard you forget there’s a person on the other end receiving the message. I hope you sincerely have found whats good for you and i hope you dont become the tipe of ex muslim who just goes around mocking for no reason but i think you having been a muslim know what i would want for you i pray you return to islam as you did before

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      • Well said nobody of any Importance, as a Muslim, I’m appalled to see this awful abuse expressed by rude and obnoxious Muslims towards Paul, He is a gentlemen and courteous and engages respectfully, …yes we may have theological differences, regardless i have much admiration and respect for him and have benefited from his knowledge.

        Muslims please be kind

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  4. The animation is funny. But very serious in light of what he says.

    What is the meaning of the two rats in the Quran eating?

    Symbol of corruption?

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  5. This is just one more demonstration why Islam is not a religion of peace, but a war-loving conquering unjust false religion.

    Dar al Islam vs. dar al harb.

    See the quote from Hadith.

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    • @Ken Temple

      “This is just one more demonstration why Islam is not a religion of peace, but a war-loving conquering unjust false religion.”

      Would you say the say to the apostasy laws and violence in the OT Ken?

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      • No, since it was true for Theocratic Israel for a time; but Jesus and the NT clearly “took the kingdom away from the Jews / Pharisees and the destruction of the temple and Roman wars was a judgement on apostate Israel for rejecting her King Messiah Jesus. Matthew chapter 21:43

        “the kingdom of God will be taken away from you (Pharisees / Jewish leaders, etc.) and given to a nation producing the fruit of it”

        See whole context Matthew 21:33-46

        After the cursing of the fig tree because it had no fruit and the cleansing of the temple – illustrations of God’s judgment on Israel. (Matthew 21)

        Judgement on the temple and Israel – Matthew 23:36-24:15

        There is no more Biblical Theocratic Israel.

        The kingdom of God is spread by preaching, persuasion, evangelism, love, kindness, and holiness of life (example), and willing to suffer. (all the NT) Luke 9:23 ff, Mark 8:31-38; I Peter, Hebrews, 2 Timothy 3:12; etc.

        Getting the government out of controlling the church and letting them do evangelism and freedom of religion and speech were great developments in history. (USA Constitution, Amendment # 1)

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      • @Ken Temple

        “No, since it was true for Theocratic Israel for a time;”

        There! thats what i’m talking about! Why was it “true” for them but not for Islam? And before you say it simply regurgitating the usual response of ” cause Islam is false and Christianity is true” is not gonna cut it when discussing the morality of “warlike” religious actions. So i’ll ask again, would you say the say to the apostasy laws and violence in the OT Ken?

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      • Already answered. Read Matthew chapters 21-24

        These are truth from God.

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      • Edit: would you say that to the apostasy laws and violence in the OT Ken?

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      • I already answered that it was temporary, and the NT shows there is no more Biblical Theocratic State of Israel or any kind of Theocracy, which shows Islam is false, since it contradicts all of the main doctrines of revelation in the NT.

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      • @Ken Temple

        It being temporary does not solve the issue. To put it another way let me ask you a question to prove the point i’m trying to make. Can God prescribe and encourage laws that are “warlike”, barbaric, or evil if its temporary?

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      • The NT revelation solves the issue. full stop.
        That is all I have time for presently.

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      • You also have not given time to read slowly and mediate on Matthew chapters 21 – 24, verse by verse, slowly, thinking, etc.

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      • @Ken Temple

        Can God prescribe and encourage laws that are “warlike”, barbaric, or evil as long as its temporary, yes or no?

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      • God’s wars are just wars.
        When Christ returns He will wage just and righteous war.
        Revelation 19:11

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      • @Ken Temple

        That doesn’t answer my question though. I’ll ask it again, can God prescribe and encourage laws that are “warlike”, barbaric, or evil as long as its temporary, yes or no? Also what does a “just and righteous war” look like? And how is it different than the wars Islam came with? (Please give an answer more meaningful than Islam false! Christianity true! this time okay Ken?)

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      • God’s wars in the OT and Revelation 19:11 are just and holy and good.
        Keith Thomson’s article is persuasive.
        http://www.exegeticalapologetics.com/2018/05/is-christianity-religion-of-peace.html

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      • @Ken Temple

        No, no it isn’t. i’ll stews reply refute the link here like it did onver on your blog,

        “Lol so you’re basic argument can be summed up as “not literal” several problems here:

        1. How does one determine the basis for what literal and metaphorical other than embarrassment? Like Black Hebrew Israelites when they quote their “prophecies” this is just playing with the text.

        2. The text is giving actual casualty numbers. Shamoun’s argument of “exaggeration” means the “inspired” authors said one thing happened which didn’t which means the Holy Spirit inspired a lie so there goes the entirety of the theology.

        3. The text is very clear it’s not exaggerating, how can we tell? Numbers 32:
        7Then they waged war against Midian, as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male…9The Israelites captured the Midianite women and their children, and they plundered all their herds, flocks, and goods. 10Then they burned all the cities where the Midianites had lived, as well as all their encampments, 11and carried away all the plunder and spoils, both people and animals. 12They brought the captives, spoils, and plunder to Moses… 14But Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who were returning from the battle. 15“Have you spared all the women?” he asked them…kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, 18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.
        https://biblehub.com/bsb/numbers/31.htm

        If it was a “exaggeration” (aka a lie) why would he be mad at the women and little boys being alive? Also even of we go with “exaggeration” he is still ordering the death of “some” little boys and taking little girls as sex slaves. Which brings back the original question when is it morally justified to kill women and children in your religion?

        4. Appealing to the contradiction of the group still living doesn’t help. That is just made another issue.

        5. His appeal to Paul Copan also doesn’t help and again proves the Holy Spirit inspired a lie.

        6. Regarding his desperate appeal to the Quran, the verse only mentions the fight with Goliath and nothing about Amekalites or committing genocide thi is just one of the many ways the Quran corrects “exaggerations” (aka lies) in the Hebbrew Bible

        7. Ibn Ishaq is unreliable Shamoun knows this yet mentions it to decieve his uneducated audience. Also, the Torah and the Gospel are not the Bible.

        8. Appealing to God taking life and ordering the creation to do it are 2 different things.

        9. You can tell he is struggling with Numbers (i.e. the thing were talking about) the text means to take these little virgin girls as sex slaves. it literally means “devour them”

        10. Appealing to Thomson does not help as Deuteronomy 22:29 strengthens my argument:
        …28If a man encounters a virgin who is not pledged in marriage, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are discovered, 29the man who raped her must pay the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she must become his wife because he has violated (anah) her. He must not divorce her as long as he lives.

        So she was “defiled” in a non-consensual situation. Now:

        If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored (anah) her.

        So yes in the same book of Deuteronomy the author uses similar wording. So thanks for the help on that one.”

        Second that STILL doesn’t answer my main question. I’ll ask it again, can God prescribe and encourage laws that are “warlike”, barbaric, or evil as long as its temporary? Yes or no?

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    • According to your Bible Kenny, whomsoever worships any gods besides the True God Almighty, they are to be killed, executed with stones without any pity;

      And according to your trinitarian theology, Jesus, who pre-existed as God the Son was not tolerant of any other religions and therefore proclaimed His command to Kill, to put to death anyone who turns people away from the Triune god:

      “Your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your friend who is as your own soul, might tempt you in secret. They might say, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’ (whom you and your fathers have not known. 7 They might be gods of the nations who are around you, near you, or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other). 8 Do not agree with him or listen to him. Do not look on him with pity. And do not show him loving-kindness or hide him. 9 You must kill him. Your hand should be first against him to put him to death, and then the hand of all the people. 10 Kill him with stones, because he has tried to turn you away from the Lord your God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the land where you were servants. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid. No one will do such a sinful thing among you again.”Deut 13:6-11

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      • That was only for Theocratic Israel, where religion and state government were unified; but in the New Covenant / New Testament, there is no more Theocratic Israel. Jesus took the kingdom of God away from Israel. See Matthew 21:33-46. That is also what the cleansing of the temple and cursing of the fig tree was about (judgement / justice on Israel for not having any fruit) earlier in the chapter, v. 12-19. Matthew 23 is also about judgment upon Israel – Matthew 23:36 “all these things (judgements, woes) will come upon this generation” (the bad hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders, priests, chief priests, scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, etc. for rejecting Jesus as Al Masih (The Messiah).

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      • Kenny, it’s irrelevant whether it was for Theocratic Israel or not, the point being, and the fundamental fact of the matter is, according to your trinitarian doctrine, Jesus, during his pre-existence as ‘God the Son, commanded the execution and killing of those who professed to another religion other than the religion of Israel; to put to death anyone who apostates and turns people away from the Triune god.

        Jesus was a violent executioner ordering his commands to kill for 1000’s of years before he supposedly and temporarily became a meek ‘pacifist’ on earth and only to return “later to be a warrior waging battles in his 2nd coming lol…

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    • @Ken Temple

      “That was only for Theocratic Israel, where religion and state government were unified; but in the New Covenant / New Testament, there is no more Theocratic Israel.”

      Since you replied to Omar with the usual spiel let ask you once again, and please do try to answer this time.

      Can God prescribe and encourage laws that are “warlike”, barbaric, or evil as long as its temporary? Yes? Or no?

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      • Varqas,
        You are the best and most well-mannered of the Muslims that I interact with here and also at my blog.
        But your method of “yes or no” seems like a tricky way to try and trap.

        Here goes:
        God’s wars were just and holy wars in the OT.
        So, they cannot be evil or barbaric.

        “Warlike” depends on the issue of justice and God’s right to kill, and the issue of “just war”, while realizing that human beings are never 100 % just, only God is.

        Islamic wars were unjust and evil, because the “revelation” was false, coming 500 years after the true revelation ceased. (Around 96-100 AD, when the last book of the NT was written. Whether it was Jude or the book of Revelation, the NT demonstrates the truth.)

        This is really all I have time for at the present.

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      • @Ken Temple

        Thank you for the compliment Ken. I don’t mean to try and “trap” you or anyone I only want to get to heart of the matter with simple questions. Though I admit I may not come off as that at times due to my lack of articulating myself properly. For that I apologize.

        Anyway on to your reply. From your response you seem to indicate that God cannot prescribe or encourage laws that are evil is that right? In which case a simple “no” would’ve sufficed for my question. You’ve repeatably stated that the violence in the OT and in future in fulfillment of the NT is basically fine due to :”Christianity true Islam false” the problem I have with the mentality in this discussion is that it comes across as hypocritical when you accuse Islam as BEING false for doing something Implying that said action itself is immoral while at the same time you believe God himself prescribed and legislated those very things. (and if we’re being honest at time worse than that) I hope that makes sense.

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      • And the Covenant has been taken away almost 300 years later after the Christos (al-Maidah [5:]11-19). Nothing else to stand on, mushrik.
        So much corruption.

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  6. You are nearly 60 but you still behave like an immature character. I am atheist but I noticed how you showed so much disrespect to Pakistani and Asian muslims in general when you were a muslim and now that you left that religion. You seem to think that you are special because you are English. I dont blame the muslims for disowning you even though they waste their time with that faith.

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  7. Paul as you are nearly 60 when do you think that you will mature? You love to bitch and insult others its ridiculous. No wonder the dawah team disowned you. You threw that Mansur under the bus and that Hashim fellow as well. You do it to others as well all the time. It is like it is your hobby to insult and bitch about others. You are just not a nice human being in general. Go and find a boyfriend or something at least then you will be occupied and not wasting your time being an insulting imbecile.

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  8. This video is very offensive for muslims. Shame!

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  9. What is the meaning of the two rats in the Quran eating?

    Symbol of corruption?

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  10. The video is very funny kind of like Monty python humor.

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  11. Hey, what happened to the ‘Race Realist post? it’s disappeared?

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    • yep. I was told it would damage me in the long term.The data is absolutely clear … there is a substantial difference in cognitive ability. But especially in 2020 such truths are not meant to be discussed in public.

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      • so there is a substantial difference in cognitive ability? … even if we did a hypothetical controlled experiment, where we were to raise two children from birth, one African child and the other white English caucasian child and raise them/ subject them both to the same social/cultural environment/up bringing/influences and enroll them in the same education institution? ….. , the white child will score higher/be more intelligent/have a higher IQ, than the African child?, primarily determined by/cos of more superior biological race genetics, factors?

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      • Yes.

        The existence of gaps in average IQ between the races is now firmly established, and is no longer controversial among scientists who study human intelligence.

        The biggest remaining controversy is over the reason for the gaps: Are they due to genetic differences between groups or to differences in the environments to which each is exposed?

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      • So you believe the following about people from these countries

        Average IQ per country

        That people from the following countries are on average of high intelligence:

        Singapore 108
        Hong Kong 108
        South Korea 105

        That people from the following countries are of average intelligence:

        United Kingdom 100
        Austria 100
        Norway 100
        Netherlands 100
        Canada 99
        Germany 99

        That people from the following countries are on average not that bright and of below average intelligence:

        Nigeria 84
        Pakistan 84
        Uganda 84
        Zimbabwe 82
        Bangladesh 82
        India 82

        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

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      • seems like an accurate statistical table.

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  12. Paul Williams has always been ace, unlike me: I just act like junior high little girl jolted by her boyfriend. I am a disgrace to men if you can call me that.

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