Let’s use an analogy to show how absurd Temple’s argument is. Recently, the world celebrated the 75th anniversary (May 8) of “VE” day (“Victory in Europe”, marking the surrender of the Nazis to the Allies, including Communist Russia). Now, suppose we found a book purportedly written in the 1940s by an “eyewitness” . . .
your analogy breaks down because we have so much other evidence – all of 500 years of beginnings of Christianity, that it is impossible to find a document later that would refute the Christian history
. . .
oh wait,
That is what the Qur’an did 600 years later and claimed to know what happened at the crucifixion
Surah 4:157
claims of being hidden and unseen and a miracle and deception ( Makr) by Allah – coming 600 years later with no evidence.
It is your religion who did what you are accusing Luke and the NT of doing.
You moron, again you try to deflect from the topic! 😂 The analogy was regarding the error in your silly gospels about Jesus’ trial. Stay on topic and try to focus Kennywise.
Just as it is silly to claim that Russia converted to fascism, it is silly to claim that the Jews would have accused Jesus of blasphemy for saying he was the Messiah. Just as the two anonymous books claiming the former would be rejected as historical fiction, the gospels would also be rejected. Try to deal with this, you simpleton. Deflecting to Islam doesn’t help your cheesy religion (get it, like Swiss cheese?).
Another deflection! Why am I not surprised? Kennywise the clown cannot defend the authenticity of his Bible without using the Quran! So Kennywise, do you believe the Quran is correct then? Alhamdulillah! Kennywise is a Muslim now!
How does this save your gospels? How does it save Christianity from being relegated to the dustbin of history? It doesn’t. Egg on your face, you clown! 😂
Still, deflecting? The point QB made has NOTHING to do with the Disciples winning on the Day of Judgement. Stay focused on the topic what evidence do you have that the Jews consider the claim to be the Messiah or the “Son of God” blasphemy? (Also why did they not think David(as) was a blasphemer for calling himself it?)
It’s pathetic. Anyone reading this can see that Christians like Kennywise cannot defend their Bible with reasonable arguments. They resort to red herrings to deflect from their failures and the failures of their religion. Thanks for making it so easy to refute Christianity, Kennywise! You are a godsend! 🥰
“the believers / followers of Jesus will be superior until the day of resurrection!!”
Ken you are right! We muslims are the believers/followers not only Jesus but all the prophets and messengers sent by Allah.
Christians are not the Jesus’s believers/follower but the Jesus’s worshiper.
No- no such thing as Muslims (in the way you understand that – note: all Christians and Jews have always believed that we must submit to God. Romans 12:1-2; James 4:7; Luke 22:44) or Islam until 613-622 AD. So they could not be who the Qur’an is talking about as the followers of Jesus.
the context of the first century (NT era) to the 2nd and 3rd and 4th centuries, shows the followers of Jesus are the true believers and those that recognized Jesus as the Divine Eternal Son of God – the NT believers. The context of the Qur’an in 3:52-55 (context goes back in verse 45 to the virgin Birth of Christ and Mary, etc.) is about the deception at the crucifixion, and Allah’s deception, etc. that context unwittingly and inadvertently forms an unbreakable line / chain ( like chain of Hadiths) with the NT truth and history shows the first Christians were both followers / believers / and worshipers of Jesus as the eternal Son of God. Matthew 14:33; John 1:1-5; 1:14; 20:28; Mark 2:1-12; 2:28; 12:35-37; 14:60-64
But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief [shows the enemies of Christ were the Pharisees and Jewish leaders who rejected Him as Messiah and Son of God and virgin born and incarnated eternal Son] from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?” The disciples said,” We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Surah 3:52
54 – Allah’s deception (Makr)
3:55
[Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
Allusion to the avoiding of the crucifixion, as in 4:157-158 – “I will take you/ raise you
to myself”
So the Qur’an inadvertently affirms the NT believers as the true followers of Jesus, who also recognized Him as the eternal Son and worthy of Worship.
Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Another circular argument. 🤦♂️ Kennywise, you clown, the only ones who believe your gospels are blind fanatics like you. The rest of us do not consider them to be “established in history”. So you need to prove this claim by using reasonable arguments, not deflections and fallacies. Get it?
Let’s use an analogy to show how absurd Temple’s argument is. Recently, the world celebrated the 75th anniversary (May 8) of “VE” day (“Victory in Europe”, marking the surrender of the Nazis to the Allies, including Communist Russia). Now, suppose we found a book purportedly written in the 1940s by an “eyewitness” . . .
your analogy breaks down because we have so much other evidence – all of 500 years of beginnings of Christianity, that it is impossible to find a document later that would refute the Christian history
. . .
oh wait,
That is what the Qur’an did 600 years later and claimed to know what happened at the crucifixion
Surah 4:157
claims of being hidden and unseen and a miracle and deception ( Makr) by Allah – coming 600 years later with no evidence.
It is your religion who did what you are accusing Luke and the NT of doing.
So funny and egg on your face!
You moron, again you try to deflect from the topic! 😂 The analogy was regarding the error in your silly gospels about Jesus’ trial. Stay on topic and try to focus Kennywise.
Just as it is silly to claim that Russia converted to fascism, it is silly to claim that the Jews would have accused Jesus of blasphemy for saying he was the Messiah. Just as the two anonymous books claiming the former would be rejected as historical fiction, the gospels would also be rejected. Try to deal with this, you simpleton. Deflecting to Islam doesn’t help your cheesy religion (get it, like Swiss cheese?).
And the Qur’an says the followers of Jesus are true believers, faithful, etc. and become the uppermost and dominant and obvious ones.
Surah 3:52-55
uppermost, dominant, superior, high, above
فوق
Surah 61:14
the manifest ones, the obvious/ clear ones
ظاهرین
Egg on your face again!
Another deflection! Why am I not surprised? Kennywise the clown cannot defend the authenticity of his Bible without using the Quran! So Kennywise, do you believe the Quran is correct then? Alhamdulillah! Kennywise is a Muslim now!
How does this save your gospels? How does it save Christianity from being relegated to the dustbin of history? It doesn’t. Egg on your face, you clown! 😂
Alhamdulillah! Kennywise is a Muslim now!
ROFLOL
You must be since you keep quoting the Quran! 🤣🤣 The gospels are in the dustbin from their own self-inflicted contradictions. Egg on Kennywise’s face!
@Ken
Still, deflecting? The point QB made has NOTHING to do with the Disciples winning on the Day of Judgement. Stay focused on the topic what evidence do you have that the Jews consider the claim to be the Messiah or the “Son of God” blasphemy? (Also why did they not think David(as) was a blasphemer for calling himself it?)
It’s pathetic. Anyone reading this can see that Christians like Kennywise cannot defend their Bible with reasonable arguments. They resort to red herrings to deflect from their failures and the failures of their religion. Thanks for making it so easy to refute Christianity, Kennywise! You are a godsend! 🥰
Surah 3:55
the believers / followers of Jesus will be superior until the day of resurrection!!
فوق . . . الی یوم القیمه
Kennywise is afraid of dealing with the topic!!
no, not afraid at all.
the historical reliability of the Gospels and the rest of the NT is already established.
Kennywise, then deal with the topic you silly boy. 😂😂
@ Ken
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“the believers / followers of Jesus will be superior until the day of resurrection!!”
Ken you are right! We muslims are the believers/followers not only Jesus but all the prophets and messengers sent by Allah.
Christians are not the Jesus’s believers/follower but the Jesus’s worshiper.
No- no such thing as Muslims (in the way you understand that – note: all Christians and Jews have always believed that we must submit to God. Romans 12:1-2; James 4:7; Luke 22:44) or Islam until 613-622 AD. So they could not be who the Qur’an is talking about as the followers of Jesus.
the context of the first century (NT era) to the 2nd and 3rd and 4th centuries, shows the followers of Jesus are the true believers and those that recognized Jesus as the Divine Eternal Son of God – the NT believers. The context of the Qur’an in 3:52-55 (context goes back in verse 45 to the virgin Birth of Christ and Mary, etc.) is about the deception at the crucifixion, and Allah’s deception, etc. that context unwittingly and inadvertently forms an unbreakable line / chain ( like chain of Hadiths) with the NT truth and history shows the first Christians were both followers / believers / and worshipers of Jesus as the eternal Son of God. Matthew 14:33; John 1:1-5; 1:14; 20:28; Mark 2:1-12; 2:28; 12:35-37; 14:60-64
But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief [shows the enemies of Christ were the Pharisees and Jewish leaders who rejected Him as Messiah and Son of God and virgin born and incarnated eternal Son] from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?” The disciples said,” We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Surah 3:52
54 – Allah’s deception (Makr)
3:55
[Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
Allusion to the avoiding of the crucifixion, as in 4:157-158 – “I will take you/ raise you
to myself”
So the Qur’an inadvertently affirms the NT believers as the true followers of Jesus, who also recognized Him as the eternal Son and worthy of Worship.
Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Kennywise continues to deflect and the gospels remain contradictory and wrong. Boy, this is easy! Alhamdulillah!
The Gospels were already established in history – all through the writing of the NT and the centuries of Christianity before Islam.
They are God-breathed, self-authenticating.
Another circular argument. 🤦♂️ Kennywise, you clown, the only ones who believe your gospels are blind fanatics like you. The rest of us do not consider them to be “established in history”. So you need to prove this claim by using reasonable arguments, not deflections and fallacies. Get it?
The real history since Adam (pbuh): Worship God alone, not God in three persons.
Worship God Alone. = one God in three persons.