Tales from YouTube – The dynasty collapses


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As-salaam alaikum. I thought I would report on some of the hilarious comments I have been getting from Christian apologists, most of whom are trolls trying to be wise guys but end up regretting they opened their mouths. The first example is a dude name “Mr Dynasty”. I had been conversing with him on Full Metal Theist’s channel about the “miracle of reinterpretation” that Christians perform whenever they read the Bible and come across verses that are inconvenient for them. I set a trap for him by asking him if rabbits chew the cud (yep, my favorite error in the Bible), and of course, he stalled for a while (I assume he did so while frantically Googling for something to say). After I called him out for his stalling tactic, he finally posted a link to…Tektonics.org. Of course, I jumped on this since I had already debunked the Tektonics article…

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  1. This is the highlight of Faiz career. Comments on youtube, twitter, blogging theology… While running away from debating Sam. He refuses both a public debate and livestream debate. Keep hiding in the comment section. 🙂

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    • @ Ali

      You still talking about Shamoun the stalking wife beater that was deemed a liar who doesn’t take care of his kids by the courts?

      Click to access 1182710.pdf

      “…¶ 5 I In November 2017, at Michelle’s request, the trial court entered a two-year order of
      protection prohibiting Sam from harassing, stalking, or physically abusing Michelle, granting
      Michelle sole possession of the parties’ marital residence, and prohibiting Sam from entering the
      residence or Michelle’s place of employment…”

      “B. Temporary Support Order and Attorney Fees for Non-Compliance
      ¶ 7 In March 2018, the trial court granted Michelle’s request for temporary maintenance and
      child support, ordering Sam to pay $1,500 per month in unallocated support. When Sam failed to
      comply, Michelle filed a petition for a rule to show cause to hold him in contempt and requested
      attorney fees for her efforts to enforce the order. In June 2018, the court ordered Sam to pay
      Michelle $3,083.33 in overdue support and $1,600 in attorney fees.

      Did he tell you guys that as he begged you for more money? What about Wood being a psychopath, who tried to kill his father and went to prison?

      Seriously why are all the people you blindly follow all terrible humans? Isn’t that enough of a sign for you who is on the side of good?

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      • 😂 This isn’t “Ali”. This is the dishwasher or perhaps the “whore of Babylon” Emma? Funny how this uneducated clod thinks that anyone cares for him constantly trying to find his master some work. Am I supposed to “debate” Scam just because some loser with a GED thinks I’m a “coward”? 🤣 Why “debate” a loudmouth when I can just smash him in writing using my intellect?

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    • Finding good reports from one party to another during a divorce must be rare. That’s was a stupid comment.

      Does not change the fact that Faiz is scared to do the debate.

      Is it true Muhammad strike Aisha and caused her pain. And taking care of children. Is it true Muhammad took good care of his adopted son wife? Taking too much care in my opinion.

      Why do you get involved in most comments? It’s a very weird obsession. Do lack affection in real life? Forget about theology this is a more important question. You have serious psychological issues. If your not the owner of the blog. Spend most on your life here, it’s very weird. :/ What’s wrong with you man? You need help.

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      • @ Ali

        One of us definitely made a stupid comment. That was not a report genius that was the court paperwork.

        Next, how would you know if I spend the most time here if you didn’t yourself? 🤔🤔🤔

        Also, aren’t you the one acting like Shamoun’s girlfriend trying to defend her man right now?

        Finally, you didn’t answer my question, why are ALL the people on your side POS in real life? You don’t find that odd? Do you think that is the “good” side?

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      • report
        /rɪˈpɔːt/
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        give a spoken or written account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated.
        “the minister reported a decline in milk production”
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        a piece of information that is unsupported by firm evidence.
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      • That’s another funny comment. I can come once a day or once a week. Go to different articles. And see your comment often at different dates and times.

        It does not prove I spend most of my days on it unlike you. lol

        Are you in retirement? In your 60s in front of a computer all day waiting for a comment? I’m not joking you have serious issues.

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      • Another silly comment. If that makes me the girlfriend of Sam. Since you came to the defence of Faiz. That would make you the girlfriend of Faiz lol. Think before you comment.

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      • You just be the concubine of “Hassamo”. 😂

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      • @ Ali

        Hmmm… you stated:

        “I can come once a day or once a week. Go to different articles. And see your comment often at different dates and times.”

        So, you watched my comments (and their timestamps) creep? Lol, you know all about me but I don’t even know who you are so who’s the real weirdo?

        Next, that’s strange what you mentioned on times as (I assume) that’s the UK and I don’t live there. For example, my last comment says its 12:52am and the 20th when that is not the time where I live right now, and its the 19th. You wouldn’t be lying right now would Ali?

        Finally dumb@$$ that is court paperwork not “a good reports from one party to another”. This is a rejection of an appeal of his to basically get out of child support. The court notes he’s a liar, women beater and stalker (like his fans such as yourself) And now for the 3rd rigamarole why are all the people on your side POS in real life? To save us time, you can keep avoiding the question but I’m going to keep asking so why don’t we speed ahead in the conversation with you explaining to me how you think you’re on the good guy’s team?

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      • The dishwasher sure is trying hard to defend his deadbeat idol. 😂

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      • @ Ali

        Why don’t you point out where I defended QB for me?

        Also, you’re acting like his chick because you’re bringing the dude up in a conversation he’s not even apart in. Did anyone say Shamoun’s name? No, he’s only on your mind right now.

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      • I think the dishwasher spends his days breaking petals off a flower: he loves, he loves me not, he loves me…

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      • Here’s your answer. God can use all kind of people.

        You have people at speaker corner who gives dawah. How have been to prison. I think his name is Hussein. Hamza had other issues: hooligan or alcoholic, I can’t even remember which one tbh. Or both or something else. You have some in the dawah team got fired from teaching. Ijaz block Paul from his own blog. Hamza defending terrorist. Asked Paul about them and others (Mansur, Hashim etc)

        And you have Christians that many Muslims respect like James White and William Lane Craig.

        I found your argument very strange.

        But seriously, you need mental help. Do you have a life outside blogging theology?

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      • Lol, your god couldn’t find a better person to promote his religion? 🤣 He uses a hypocrite and deadbeat wife abuser to promote his religion? Hahaha, imagine a drug dealer calling people to worship a mangod. Actually, you know it makes sense. Satan would want the worst people in the world to be his ambassadors.

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      • Of course, I’m going to see your comment. That’s my point the blog is full of your comments lol. Muhammad was a wife-beater he strikes the child bride.

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      • @ Ali

        Yes God can use all kinds of people but they wait for it…change. He is a horrible human who makes his money scamming morons such as yourself. Again, think about it, you ONLY have the worst of humans on your side who attack Islam instead of just preaching their religion. Why don’t Wood, Shamoun or White (who people also think is a pos btw) actually go to areas and preach Christianity to the poor and weak? They don’t do that because they are not really doing it for God. They are evil people whom God is allowing to accumulate their sins.

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      • Both of you mention Sam also when no one talks about him in other posts. Again think before you post. That would make you a chick. Use logic before you comment.

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      • @ Ali

        it is mentioned when one of his brain dead followers come in spewing their wrong inforation and then finding out real quick its useless. Also, again you know so much about me but:

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      • That’s not true, I know one of you mention him. When no one else mentioned him. Or copy from his website.

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    • Ali: Is it true Muhammad strike Aisha and caused her pain?

      No. But what is true, according to court records, is the following:

      In November 2017, at Michelle’s request, the trial court entered a two-year order of
      protection prohibiting Sam from harassing, stalking, or physically abusing Michelle, granting Michelle sole possession of the parties’ marital residence, and prohibiting Sam from entering the residence or Michelle’s place of employment…”

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      • “… He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain..”

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      • Ali: “… He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain..”

        ‘Lahad’ should be translated as pushed, not strike. Sure, Aisha (ra) may have experienced some discomfort from being pushed but this was simply the Prophet’s way of warding off evil thoughts. According to Aisha herself, the Prophet never raised his hand on women. In contrast, court documents on your hero Shamoun say the following:

        In November 2017, at Michelle’s request, the trial court entered a two-year order of protection prohibiting Sam from harassing, stalking, or physically abusing Michelle, granting Michelle sole possession of the parties’ marital residence, and prohibiting Sam from entering the residence or Michelle’s place of employment…”

        So are you on Michelle’s side?

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      • Is this the same Hassamo?

        Order Violation Charged

        Hassamo H. Shamoun, 45, of the 8600 block of Gregory Lane in Des Plaines, was charged with three counts of violation of an order of protection at 4:45 p.m. Thursday, April 26. He was taken into custody at Target in Golf Mill Mall. The charges stemmed from three separate alleged complaints that had been filed with police. The dates and locations of the alleged incidents were not released by police.

        https://www.journal-topics.com/articles/niles-police-blotter/

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      • Imagine being a 45 year old internet troll.

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      • To push her he had to put his hands on her idiot.

        I can give you a translation by Muslim. Who translates it as pain and strike.

        But even if I go with your translation. You have a man pushed his child bride (a female) causing her discomfort lol. Even your water down translation, it’s quite bad.

        You don’t need to push and cause discomfort to ward off a thought. This does not make any sense.

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      • Ali: To push her he had to put his hands on her idiot.

        By your logic, a firm handshake would count as abuse.

        Ali: I can give you a translation by Muslim. Who translates it as pain and strike.

        And I can give you the dictionary definitions of Lahad.

        Ali: But even if I go with your translation. You have a man pushed his child bride (a female) causing her discomfort lol. Even your water down translation, it’s quite bad.

        You idiots do realize that Aisha was not 9 years old forever?

        Ali: You don’t need to push and cause discomfort to ward off a thought. This does not make any sense.

        It doesn’t matter what you think. You’re just some random idiot on the internet. According to Aisha herself, the Prophet never beat women; and, equally as important, there is no mention of this hadith in the legal discussions on Surat 4.34.

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      • @ Ali

        First off it doesn’t matter who the translation is by. The Prophet(saw) does this frequently:

        It was narrated that ‘Ali said:
        “The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent me to Yemen. I said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, you are sending me to judge between them while I am a young man, and I do not know how to judge.’ He struck me on the chest with his hand and said: ‘O Allah, guide his heart and make his tongue steadfast.’ And after that I never doubted in passing judgment between two people.”

        https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/13/3

        Jarir reported:

        Since I embraced Islam Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) never refused to see me and he did not see me but with a smile on his face. Ibn Numair has made this addition to this hadith which has been reported on the authority of Ibn Idris that he (Jarir) made this complaint to him (to the Holy Prophet): I cannot sit upon the horse with firmness, whereupon he (Allah’s Apostle) struck his chest with his hand and prayed: O Allah, make him steadfast and rightly-guided.

        https://sunnah.com/urn/1251590

        It was narrated that ‘Uthman bin Abul-‘As said:
        “When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) appointed me as governor of Ta’if, I began to get confused during my prayer, until I no longer knew what I was doing. When I noticed that, I travelled to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and he said: ‘The son of Abul-‘As?’ I said: ‘Yes, O Messenger of Allah.’ He said: ‘What brings you here?’ He said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, I get confused during my prayer, until I do not know what I am doing.’ He said: ‘That is Satan. Come here.’ So I came close to him, and sat upon the front part of my feet then he struck my chest with his hand and put some spittle in my mouth and said: ‘Get out, O enemy of Allah!’ He did that three times, then he said: ‘Get on with your work.’” ‘Uthman said: “Indeed, I never felt confused (during my prayer) after that.”

        https://sunnah.com/urn/1275930

        Basically, he did this but like a, what’s wrong with you, why would you think I’d do that? That’s why she noted it “caused her pain” like he did his normal practice with passion.

        Now back to my question, why are all the people on your side evil?

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      • You’re very stupid to compare a handshake with pushing lol.

        Give the dictionary to Muslims who translate hadith. Maybe a random idiot like you knows better than them.

        How old was the child bride when Muhammad strike her?

        “It doesn’t matter what you think.” Sound like you don’t have a responds.

        Aisha stated that she had never seen any women treated as bad as Muslim women “…Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!”

        Let me help you with a water down translation. Suffering means a little discomfort. Believing women means kinda believing lol. Greener than her cloth means a bit green but not too much lol.

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      • Ali: Give the dictionary to Muslims who translate hadith. Maybe a random idiot like you knows better than them.

        Better yet, name ONE scholar who agrees that hadith in question shows Muhammad beating his wife.

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      • Muhammad strikes the child bride it’s passion. It because of evil thoughts. You’re only making excuses for Muhammad the wife beater.

        Another statement by Aisha regarding the believing women “…Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!”

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      • @ Ali

        Neither of what we said contradicts dumb@$$. Again, I just gave like 5 examples of him doing it and his own wife in question testified he never hit her (unlike Sam’s) And even let’s say for argument sake Muhammad(saw) did, how does that excuse, Shamoun? Do you still find his behavior acceptable even if your slander about Muhammad(saw) was true?

        And for about the 100th time now, why is everyone on your side evil?

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      • Most of the dawah team have dirt on them. Apart maybe from Paul and Shamsi.

        Another I forgot. Adnan was the supporter of a terrorist. When questioned he denied it. Maybe you think your side is good. Because they lie to you.

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      • @ Ali

        You must have missed my, they are not representatives of me and I have no problem saying they’re wrong because I’m not riding them.

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      • “… He pushed, pushed away, or REPELLED, HIM: or pushed him VIOLENTLY UPON THE CHEST: (L 🙂 or he pushed him, pushed him away, or repelled him, ON ACCOUNT OF HIS BASENESS, OR DESPICABLENESS: (S, L, K 🙂 OR HE STRUCK HIM IN THE BREASTS, (L,), OR IN THE BASES OF THE BREASTS, (K,), and in the bases of the shoulder-blades: (L, K) or he pressed, or squeezed, him…” Edward William Lane, Arabic-English Lexicon

        lahad, INF. lahd, oppress; jade; BEAT, push.” Francis Joseph Steingass, Arabic-English Dictionary

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      • @ Ali

        Those quotes hurt you, not help. 🤦 🤦 🤦

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    • By your own standard, we can throw most of the dawah team under the bus. I forgot Ali Dawah got an innocent family in danger. Something like marrying his 6 years old kid. I also heard he said wanking on babies. I’m not sure if the last one is true.

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      • @ Ali

        If it’s true I’d recommend it. See how easy that was for me because I’m not riding them?

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      • Good, I can’t take Sam or the ex-wife side. I don’t know what happened between them. Only they know the truth. They are probably both responsible for the divorce. I doubt Sam beat his ex or mistreat his children. But if true I don’t support it.

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      • @ ALi

        There’s no doubt he did it that’s why the courts ruled in her favor and gave her a restraining order. And so now you’re calling the abused a liar?

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      • I’m waiting for Ali to name just one scholar who said the Hadith in question shows Muhammad beating his wife.

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      • I’m not saying Sam or the ex-wife is a liar. I’m saying I don’t know. Since a court is not infallible. That’s between them and God. I’m not the one to judge.

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      • @ Ali

        Got it when he had the chance to testify everybody just oppressed him (and caught him up in a bunch of lies about how much he made and then reprimanded with fees for lack of paying child support) It’s all one big conspiracy theory.

        But anyway, let’s leave all that for now and maybe try to talk about something more productive. As I assume you’re a Christian, why do you worship Jesus(as) alongside God the Creator of all?

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      • My friend, I know I can be at times harsh. You probably have good intension as in thinking Islam is the truth and you want to share it with others. Good for you. I genuinely believe you have mental issues. You probably spend more time on BT than a teenage girl on fb. For some reasons not all my comments appeared. I think it’s WordPress.

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      • @ Ali

        That’s fantastic you think that about me but that’s not what I asked. Why do you worship Jesus(as) alongside God? I’m not even saying become a Muslim (you gotta walk before you can run) I’m saying why do you worship 2 gods?

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      • @ Ali

        So I find this interesting you were able to do ALL this insulting, question dodging deflecting etc but you weren’t able to sit there and rationally/respectfully defend the beliefs you claim to believe in. Why is that? Do you (like Ken) know Islam is the truth when we actually get down to the nitty-gritty of this whole shindig? I’m just curious here.

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      • I told you I believe you have a mental issue. As much as theology is important your mental health is very important as well. Focus on seeking help. To be fair you were quite good so far. Maybe you listened to my advice and did not spend so much time on BT.

        To answer your question I don’t have two gods. Christians have one God. You’re the one with the issue of having Allah and the Quran both uncreated and eternal. Are they separate or are they one? You have a belief similar to Christians or you have two eternal and uncreated (two gods). And that’s a diversion which will lead to another conversation.

        I give you my word I don’t believe Islam is the truth.

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      • @ Ali

        Got it heard you the first time regarding my mental health. Anyways do you see how you keep deflecting? This is a sign you’re uncomfortable, let’s stay focused on the topic. So my question you claim to not have two gods. Cool. I’m going to list things about God and you tell me if you agree or disagree. if you disagree that’s fine but explain why. God is:

        1. All-Knowing- Knows anything that has happened, will happen or is currently happening all at the same time.
        2. All-Hearing- Hear anything that has happened, will happen or is currently happening all at the same time.
        3. All-Seeing- Sees anything that has happened, will happen or is currently happening all at the same time.
        4. Free from all needs- God does not eat, sleep, drink, have sex, etc

        So do you agree to this or no?

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      • I actually think you should fix that first is not I’m uncomfortable.

        You ask me if I have two gods. The answer is one being 3 distinct person.

        I asked you if you have two uncreated and two eternal (Allah and the Quran). You ignore the question. Why Muslims don’t like to talk about Islam. Maybe you know Islamic theology is flawed on several levels.

        So is the Quran = Allah. And Allah is the Quran. Or are they separate?

        If you say the same, please explain what the hell that means Allah is the Quran. If you say separate you have two gods.

        One more thing is the uncreated and eternal Quran in Arabic?

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      • @ Ali

        I’m not discussing any religion at the moment I’m just talking about the nature of God period that we can both agree on. So do you agree with what I said about some of the things God is? Yes or no?

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      • You already wrote worshipping Jesus. You’re already targetting a group of religious people. I don’t believe you don’t want to talk about religion. Usually atheist /agnostic don’t worship Jesus.

        Since you claim you just want to talk about the nature of God. Being eternal and uncreated are attributes of God.

        So do you believe you have had another “being” separate from God which is eternal and uncreated? Or it’s impossible God alone is eternal and uncreated.

        You asked an interesting question if I know Islam is true. You trying to dictate the conversation and avoiding talking about Islam. It’s like you know it’s false. So why do you keep following it? You won’t gain anything by being stubborn. Is it because of family pressure? Pressure from other Muslims? You struggling with the fact that you might be wrong? You spent too much time and energy in Islam that you don’t want to give up? What is it?

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      • @ Ali

        Hence why I switched it up. We’re creating a base that we both agree about God. This is all just deflection from getting to the core of the issue. How you’re acting from answering a simple question, is it safe to say you don’t agree that God is All-Knowing, Hearing, Seeing and Independent?

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  2. Fact! Sam Shamoun is a wife abuser.

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    • @ Sam

      Yes, yes he is and according to the court also a liar:

      “¶ 15 The court began by determining the parties’ respective incomes for maintenance and child
      support purposes. The court found that Michelle’s gross annual income was $27,000. Sam’s
      income, however, was “difficult to ascertain” because his testimony “was inconsistent,
      contradicted by other evidence, and not credible.” As the court recounted, Sam testified that he
      was employed as a Christian apologist and Bible teacher, but he “could not remember” his income
      “for 2016, 2017, or 2018 year to date.” Although Sam’s 2016 W-2 form reported gross income of
      $116,500, he testified (and Michelle and the court accepted) that his gross income that year was
      only $100,000.”

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    • Read above how Muhammad strikes his child bride and caused her pain. I also have a response to the water down the translation.

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    • Aisha stated that she had never seen any women treated as bad as Muslim women “…Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!”

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      • @ Ali

        Yeah, that wasn’t the Prophet(saw) first off. And you know what’s a real quick way to end this discussion?

        Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:

        Habibah daughter of Sahl was the wife of Thabit ibn Qays Shimmas He beat her and broke some of her part. So she came to the Prophet (ﷺ) after morning, and complained to him against her husband. The Prophet (ﷺ) called on Thabit ibn Qays and said (to him): Take a part of her property and separate yourself from her. He asked: Is that right, Messenger of Allah? He said: Yes. He said: I have given her two gardens of mine as a dower, and they are already in her possession. The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Take them and separate yourself from her.

        https://sunnah.com/abudawud/13

        Ali ibn Abu Talib reported: The wife of Al-Waleed ibn Uqbah came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and she complained to him saying, “O Messenger of Allah! Indeed, Al-Waleed has beaten me!” The Prophet said, “Say to him: he has protected me.” She did not stay but for a while until she returned and she said, “He did not give me anything except more beatings!” The Prophet tore a piece of cloth from his shirt and he said, “Say to him: Verily, the Messenger of Allah has given me protection.” She did not stay but for a while until she returned and she said, “He did not give me anything except more beatings!” The Prophet raised his hands and he said, “O Allah, you must deal with Al-Waleed for he has sinned against me twice.”

        https://abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2013/01/17/hadith-on-women-the-prophet-protects-a-woman-from-her-abusive-husband/

        Fatima bint Qais (Allah be pleased with her) reported:

        My husband Abu ‘Amr b. Hafs b. al-Mughira sent ‘Ayyish b. Abu Rabi’a to me with a divorce… She said: Mu’awiya and Abu’l-Jahm (Allah be pleased with them) were among those who had given me the proposal of marriage. Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) said: Mu’awiya is destitute and in poor condition and Abu’l-Jahm is very harsh with women (or he beats women, or like that), you should take Usama b. Zaid (as your husband).

        https://sunnah.com/muslim/18/61

        Narrated Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri:

        I went to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.

        https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12

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      • I did not claim it was Muhammad. Read my first sentence.

        You’re not reading. You did not get the point.

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  3. Speaking of wife beating, did you know one of Christianity’s greatest theologians, Augustine, supported it? Leslie Dossey writes in her article, ‘Wife beating and manliness in late antiquity’:

    Augustine considered corporal discipline, when motivated by the desire for
    correction, to be a sign of affection. In his treatise on fasting, he compared the need to make the body obey the spirit through fasting to a husband’s loving discipline of his wife: ‘Therefore do we hate those whom we desire to obey us? Each man even in his own house often gives discipline to his wife, and subdues her when she resists him; he doesn’t persecute her as his enemy’.38 It would be a sign of indifference not to correct a loved one for sinning. If you see your wife going to the theatre, or, even worse,
    getting drunk at the holy places, it is your duty to stop her to the
    best of your ability: ‘Is it your friend? Let him be gently admon
    ished. Is it your wife? Let her be curbed severely. Is it your slave
    girl? Let her be restrained even with floggings (verbera)\39 We see
    in this last example that Augustine does distinguish between the
    discipline of a slave girl and a wife, but both, should the occasion
    warrant it, were subject to corporal punishment.

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    • There is no Allah but Allah and Augustine is his final messenger lol.

      those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them Quran 4:34

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      • Surah 4.34 is still better than the following:
        ¶ 5 I In November 2017, at Michelle’s request, the trial court entered a two-year order of
        protection prohibiting Sam from harassing, stalking, or physically abusing Michelle, granting
        Michelle sole possession of the parties’ marital residence, and prohibiting Sam from entering the
        residence or Michelle’s place of employment…”

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      • I expected the toothbrush beating bs tbh. This was a surprise 😆. Credit to you for not making lame excuses.

        Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, “You have detained the people because of your necklace.” But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah’s Apostle although that hit was very painful.
        Sahih Bukhari 8:82:828

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      • @ Ali

        You really should know relationships before quoting as it will be less embarrassing. Yes, Abu Bakr(ra)… aka her father 🙄🙄🙄 Kinda bad you didn’t know that.

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      • Ali: I expected the toothbrush beating bs tbh. This was a surprise 😆. Credit to you for not making lame excuses.

        You find it funny that Shamoun abused his wife? You sick piece of sh it.

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    • “You find it funny that Shamoun abused his wife? You sick piece of sh it.”

      That’s a funny question because Muhammad find it funny. Lol Based on your comment Muhammad is a sick piece of sh it. Just be consistent with your argument.

      “… I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed…went to ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and ‘Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped”

      Collection
      Sahih Muslim
      In-book reference
      Book 18, Hadith 39

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      • I’ll just repost again as you used the same argument:

        @ Ali

        Again embarrassing you don’t know the relationships of the people involved (again) Their two fathers smacked them in the back of the neck for annoying him.

        https://sunnah.com/muslim/18/39

        If you’re going to attempt to criticize at least do a quick Google search as you have done this two days in a row now.

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      • Thank you for proving my point Stewjo. You are a blessing. My comments are not always showing again.

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      • Ali: That’s a funny question because Muhammad find it funny.

        Muhammad(saw) wasn’t laughing at spousal abuse you idiot.

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      • Moron, what type of abuse was he laughing at? Let us know the type of abuse is acceptable.

        You’re like stewjo, you think you have a refutation. But you don’t. You don’t realise your stupidity.

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      • @ Ali

        As I know you don’t have a wife let me try this from another angle. if my wife and I get into an argument and her parent takes my side and pops her and I laugh. Am I condoning spousal abuse? Don’t worry I’ll wait…

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      • Ali: Moron, what type of abuse was he laughing at? Let us know the type of abuse is acceptable.

        He(saw) wasn’t laughing at abuse because there was no abuse. Psychologists associate abuse with repeated/regular misuse or cruelty. No psychologist will read the hadith in question and conclude that Aisha and Hafsah were abused. At best, the hadith suggests Aisha and Hafsah were embarrassed, not abused.

        Why are Shamoun’s groupies so anti-education?

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      • The level of stretching this kafir goes through is unbelieveble. A pop on the neck equals abuse now?
        Ali is schooling is pagan god everytime he opens his mouth:
        Proverbs 23:13-14
        Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

        Proverbs 13:24
        Whoever spares the rod hates his son,
        but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

        As always these manworshipers divert as if their lives depend on it. We were talking about the failures of manworshipers on YT comments and fatty shamoun’s abusiveness. These manworshiper can’t stay on topic and has to divert to the most stupid subjects and humiliates his own mangod while doing it.

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      • Idiot the Muslims are complaining about beating. That why I bring up those sources to show their double standard and hypocrisy. I won’t bring it up if you were not stupid. I’m not the one who brings up the objection. You realise your stupidity. Just another idiot who thinks he has a point. Lol

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      • “Idiot the Muslims are complaining about beating.”
        Yes about fatty shamoun beating his ex-WIFE.
        “That why I bring up those sources to show their double standard and hypocrisy.”
        Dear vermin, you can’t claim there is hypocrisy when you divert from the topic and start talking about parent-child relationship while no one here was even talking about beating children. Which btw contradicts your bible as I just showed.
        Let me repeat this for your two braincell:

        Muslim onjection: Hassamo was abusive towards his ex-wife.

        Braindead kafir: Muhammad laughed at a parent abusing his child.

        Muslim: Dear braindead kafir, we were talking about a husband-wife relationship and you deflect to a parent-child relationship. This is an equivalence fallacy. We didn’t claim that popping your kid on the neck for bad behavior is cruel or wrong.

        Braindead kafir: lololol i won, hihi hoohoo haha hoho. Me win, you lose.

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      • And another kafir bites the dust.
        Incoming deflections, irrelevant tangents and pathetic attempts to save face in 3, 2, 1…

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      • Anti-education was Muhammad for being illiterate.

        By arguing slap is not necessarily abuse. Your helping in a refutation of Atlas previous comment. Even that idiot Atlas does not realise I’m not the one who started the objection.

        What about believing women skin turn greener than her clothes. That’s still not abusing in your sources? Lol Noticed I did not claim it was Muhammad. Don’t give me a stupid answer like Stewjo.

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      • Since you claim talking about wife-beating to child beating is a diversion. Moving from debate to wife-beating is an even greater diversion. Thank you moron for proving Faiz and stewjo diverted.

        And they did mention he mistreat his children. I’m not sure what they meant by mistreating them. But they also brought up children. That’s what happens when you jump in the middle of a conversation. You end up embarrassing yourself lol.

        You are a gift. Keep commenting retard lol.

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      • “Since you claim talking about wife-beating to child beating is a diversion. Moving from debate to wife-beating is an even greater diversion. Thank you moron for proving Faiz and stewjo diverted.”

        No the topic was about online manwoshipers who can’t defend their cult (like yourself) and always have to divert (like yourself). Then you come in and start being a loser who brings fatty shamoun into this and how QB is ‘afraid’ of debating him. No one here wants to debate him cus of the filth he is irl and THAT’S WHY the court documents were brought up. That’s not diversion Abdul-Baal, that’s right on topic. A topic which YOU brought up. And even if that was diversion, how does that excuse you from diverting? It doesn’t. Sad panda. Sad Abdul-Baal.

        “And they did mention he mistreat his children. I’m not sure what they meant by mistreating them.”
        Stay on topic for once in your pathetic life Abdul-Baal. You brought up a hadith about BEATING. If you do not know what they meant by mistreating them then why do you bring it up as some sort of an argument if you don’t even know their meaning? The reason is that you got nothing to defend yourself with (just like your pathetic cult) and you want to save face. That’s why.

        “But they also brought up children.”
        Yes they did. What does that have to do with BEATING children? Children were brought up cus the court documents talk about him not financialy supporting them. Again: what does this have to do with the hadith YOU brought up? Nothing.

        ”That’s what happens when you jump in the middle of a conversation. You end up embarrassing yourself lol.”
        Yes that’s what happens, I own the crap out you Abdul-Baal.

        Do you really think no one here notices how you’re getting owned.
        Always diverting and when you’re even cought with those diversions and shown how you’re wrong and end up shooting yourself in the foot, you then just move on to another topic pretending as if you are winning. And this is what manworshipers do ALL THE TIME. They ALWAYS jump from topic to topic.

        Pathetic.

        Again for the laughs:

        Muslim onjection: Hassamo was abusive towards his ex-wife.

        Braindead kafir: Muhammad laughed at a parent abusing his child.

        Muslim: Dear braindead kafir, we were talking about a husband-wife relationship and you deflect to a parent-child relationship. This is an equivalence fallacy. We didn’t claim that popping your kid on the neck for bad behavior is cruel or wrong.

        Braindead kafir: lololol i won, hihi hoohoo haha hoho. Me win, you lose.

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      • Just a few comments earlier Kmak asked if I find wife-beating funny. I showed him Muhammad finding beating funny. If you were not a complete idiot, you would know it’s still regarding beating and if it’s funny.

        Retard don’t be a lazy a$$. Read a few comments earlier. You won’t look that stupid right now. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself. Lol

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      • “Kmak asked if I find wife-beating funny.”

        And you brought up a parent hitting his child and pretended that this was the same as wife-beating. NO ONE here claimed that hitting a child is wrong or abusive, YOU changed the subject. Worthless Abdul-Baal.

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      • If he wants to “impress” with his youtube comments. So we can make a criticism of an “apologist” hiding behind his youtube comments but is running away won’t a debate.

        He can keep posting on youtube until the other person can’t be bothered with his stupidity. That’s the strategy. Maybe a moron like you is impressed with Faiz. He won’t be able to do that in a debate.

        Get it now moron? Or are you dumb? Lol

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      • Idiot we already spoke about Muhammad striking Aisha and causing her pain.

        Even his water down translation. The best he could do as he pushed her and caused her discomfort.

        I also showed him the Quran says to beat your wife. All that was part of the conversation.

        That’s what happened when you’re an idiot who gets in the middle of a conversation. You’re going to ridicule yourself a$$hole lol.

        Do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself.

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      • Ali: Anti-education was Muhammad for being illiterate.

        No dictionary defines anti-education as illiteracy, you unlearned clown. Anti-education literally means AGAINST education.

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      • Muhammad had plenty of time to learn to read. But he did not. Thank you for proving my point. You’re as stupid as your prophet lol.

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