This the Anglican Bishop in Suffolk, England. He openly wears women’s clothes on camera.
Categories: Christianity, Degeneracy, Life in the West
This the Anglican Bishop in Suffolk, England. He openly wears women’s clothes on camera.
Categories: Christianity, Degeneracy, Life in the West
St Athanasius and St Hilary are weeping in heaven.
Im sure they are. But why these two?
They are widely regarded as paragons of the episcopacy in the eastern and western Christian world. May the prayers of these two Holy Ones be with us.
@ Nobody of any Importance
If you don’t mind me asking why do you need their prayers? Why not just pray to God directly as reality is we all don’t know what was in their hearts or what their status is with the Almighty?
Thank you for your kind reply. This is an question common to most Protestants and certain Islamic groups. The Church honours the saints to express their love and gratitude to God, who has perfected the saints. The scriptures As St. Symeon the New Theologian writes, God is the teacher of the Prophets, the co-traveller with the Apostles, the power of the Martyrs, the inspiration of the Fathers and Teachers, the perfection of all Saints.
The saints, in their striving have gained the heavenly crown by the gift of theosis, and stand before the throne of the Lord alongside the Heavenly Host. It is important to note that “We should seek the intercessions and the fervent prayers of the saints, because they have special ‘boldness’ (parresia), before God.”, as St John Chrysostom said. In the words of St Basil, “I acknowledge also the holy apostles, prophets, and martyrs; and I invoke them to supplication to God, that through them, that is, through their mediation, the merciful God may be propitious to me”. I hope this rather rambling reply has answered your question. If not I apologise.
A joke to hopefully make you chuckle:The head Monk says to the man “This is a silent order. You will only be allowed to speak once every 15 years.”
The man says “Ok” and begins his time with the silent order.
15 years pass and the man is sitting in the refectory when the head monk approaches and says to the man “It has been fifteen years. What would you like to say brother?”.
The man responds, “The porridge could use a little more sugar.” The head monk nods in acknowledgement and walks away.
Another 15 years pass and the head monk finds the man in the dormitory and says “Brother, it has been another 15 years. What is it that you wish to say?”.
“The bed sheets are a bit thin” replies the man. Again the head monk nods in acknowledgement.
Yet another 15 years pass and the head monk sees the man and asks “15 years have passed. Have you anything to say?”
“Well, actually I’ve been thinking about it and I’m leaving the order. It’s not really for me.” says the man.
“Yes, yes” sighs the head monk “I think that’s for the best. You’ve done nothing but complain since you got here.”
@ Nobody of any Importance
And thank you for your kind reply. (And know it’s fine I’m a rambler as well lol so go ahead and give your thoughts) I understand the reason I’m asking why though? What I mean is for example you and I, despite some of our theological differences, still stem from our father Abraham (peace be upon him) who stemmed from his father Noah (peace be upon him). They prayed directly to the Lord for their needs. God is the one who provides for all things whether birds flying in the sky or the snakes crawling through the grass and He has no need for help from anyone or anything.
For these men it was their worship of the Lord that raised their ranks in God’s Eyes not praying towards others. Eventually if going back far enough in the line of these righteous men, there will be one person who prayed directly to the Lord and the Lord loved him for it. Why not skip the middleman and do the same? Isn’t Jesus (peace be upon him) recorded as saying:
8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9So then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. 10Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
When giving the example of how one should pray he called on the Lord directly. So why would you not emulate his example especially considering he gave no authorization to pray towards others?
Finally (and my apologies for making this so long) I looked up the word “theosis” as I had never heard of it beofre (I did know “apotheosis” but I wanted to be on the safe side) Through my lazy Google-fu it says:
“Theosis, or deification (deification may also refer to apotheosis, lit. “making divine”), is a transformative process whose aim is likeness to or union with God, as taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholic Churches. As a process of transformation, theosis is brought about by the effects of catharsis (purification of mind and body) and theoria (‘illumination’ with the ‘vision’ of God). According to Eastern Christian teaching, theosis is very much the purpose of human life. It is considered achievable only through a synergy (or cooperation) between human activity and God’s uncreated energies (or operations).[1]”
Athanasius of Alexandria wrote, “He was incarnate that we might be made god” (Αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐνηνθρώπησεν, ἵνα ἡμεῖς θεοποιηθῶμεν).[4] His statement is an apt description of the doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Christian_theology)
So my question as I want to make sure I understand is do you believe these men are divine (or gods) or that we or someone else can become God?
@ Nobody
That was a good one lol.
Thank you for conversing with a silly fool like me, it is good to have friendly and theologically stimulating discussions. On the Holy Theosis,we deny, completely and utterly, that the saints are independent gods, since both the scriptures and they themselves would have denied this. They are filled with divine light and participate in the very life of God, as Adam himself did.
Man, in Christ, is raised higher even than the heavenly hosts, receiving adoption as sons of the Father and filled with his un-created light, the same light that shone on Mount Tabor. As St Athanasius said ” “For what the Word has by nature, as I said, in the Father, that He wishes to be given to us through the Spirit irrevocably; … It is the Spirit then which is in God, and not we viewed in our own selves; and as we are sons and gods because of the Word in us, so we shall be in the Son and in the Father, and we shall be accounted to have become one in Son and in Father, because that that Spirit is in us, which is in the Word which is in the Father.”
The “scope of our (the One Church’s) art is to provide the soul with wings, to rescue it from the world and give it to God, and to watch over that which is in His image, if it abides, to take it by the hand, if it is in danger, or restore it, if ruined, to make Christ to dwell in the heart by the Spirit: and, in short, to deify, and bestow heavenly bliss upon, one who belongs to the heavenly host.” Abba St Gregory of Nazianzus.
As St Gregory of Neocaesarea “For we hold that the Word of God was made man on account of our salvation, in order that we might receive the likeness of the heavenly, and be made divine after the likeness of Him who is the true Son of God by nature, and the Son of man according to the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ.” . Such overflowing and blazing of divine grace is shown particularly in the lives of the holy fathers of the desert. Abba Joseph, a desert father, was approached by Abba Lot, who informed him that he had kept his rule of prayer, fasted, purified his thoughts, and lived peaceably—what more could he do? Abba Joseph held out his hands toward heaven, fingers extended, and said, “You can become fire.” Each fingertip blazed like a candle. Abba Joseph’s point was that the younger monk could be set ablaze by the Holy Spirit. In Christ, man returns to his original, Adam like state, because death has been crushed and eternal life offered to all in Christ Jesus. I am sorry for my constant babbling and hope that this has been reasonably clear, and I shall reply to your earlier point tomorrow. May God , in his infinite mercy and depth-less love be with you and all you hold dear my friend (I hope that I may call you friend).
@ Nobody
Don’t be silly there are many fools on this site but I have never considered you one (I believe you used to post under a different name, correct? Forgive me for prying if it was you I believed who was studying to become a monk and you had been diagnosed with cancer if so my sincerest prayers that God gives you an easy and swift recovery)
So I have two questions as I have never really heard Eastern Orthodox beliefs (mostly Western Christianity)
“On the Holy Theosis,we deny, completely and utterly, that the saints are independent gods, since both the scriptures and they themselves would have denied this.”
1. Of course, they aren’t independent but do you believe like they become a part of God or part divine?
2. When what is it that you believe they do when you pray to them?
As are Lancelot Andrewes, George Herbert and William Laud
The evil ST Athanasius is burning in hell for murder!
My word Mr Martel, what a theologically and historically insightful statement. Ah the joys of modern neo-arianism.
I wonder what he is gonna say in his defense.
I don’t know but I’ll certainly defend the fact that Polkadots suit him.
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I was inspired by Parkie’s answer to a tough question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMm00NaDvw
Red herrings are go!
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a bishop behaviouring degenerately, and the Church of England will say and do nothing about it.
Pop goes your English humour 😂
that is your last stupid comment. The next one will be your last on BT.