A missionary struggles when asked why Jesus commanded to kill innocents

Dr. Sabeel Ahmed and a missionary

Missionaries are such high energy ball when selling Jesus as the prince of peace and God of love. They tells us that Jesus is the most pacifist being who has or ever could exist. But then look on their reaction when we tell them that their Jesus commanded extremely violent things like dashing babies against the rocks and tearing pregnant women open, wiping out human life, including women, children, babies and even cattles. All of a sudden they hit the wall and throw Jesus under the bus…watch this clip



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  1. Nature is also “commanded” to kill many innocents by Allah, if he is God.

    So is Allah better?

    Lets not forget the killing commands of the Koran.

    And the “who shall rid me of so and so…….” commands to kill innocents.

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    • It’s a non sequitur. Point was Jesus is not Mr. Nice Guy missionaries often preach.

      Also comparing natural disasters as ‘acts of God’ to human savagery by God “commands” is a fallacy. Sometimes God does punish some people because their sins or as trials when the innocents can be affected and sometimes natural disasters are just the consequenes of God natural laws in very imperfect world. Quranic morality dictates that life is sacred that it can not be taken except way of justice and law (6:151). What morality was the basis in the horror of dashing babies against the rocks and tearing pregnant women open, wiping out human life, including women, children, babies and even cattles, one may wonder??

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      • “What morality was the basis in the horror of dashing babies against the rocks and tearing pregnant women open, wiping out human life, including women, children, babies and even cattles, one may wonder??”

        There was no morality. A savage doesn’t have morality.

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      • By any standard this atrocities commanded by Jesus in the OT is an immoral action, unless if one thinks, as you said, God does not have morality, He has no absolute obligation towards His human creations, but this shows God is vindictive and cruel. Na’udzubillah

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      • Indeed. That is why such commands could not have come from the True God, Allah. Ergo, the god of the Bible who commanded such barbaric behavior is a false god. Iggy might as well worship Santa Muerte or some other made-up pagan deity.

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    • You moron, there is a difference in natural death and death by murder. Is murder forbidden by your bloodthirsty god?

      And once again, you deflect like a coward to the Quran. Tell me. Where does the Quran say we should kill “Innocents”? The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) forbid the killing of children. He was much more humane than your pagan god. The people he did kill or have killed were his enemies who were trying to kill him or supported others in the endeavor.

      Christians are so stupid. 🤣

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      • Faiz: “The people he did kill or have killed were his enemies who were trying to kill him or supported others in the endeavor.”

        The arabic mentality embedded in Islam is that you fight those with whom you have no alliance.

        The only alliance or treaty that Islam recognizes since Mohammeds death is submitting to Islam.

        So a peace treaty with Islam is not possible for other political and cultural enities.

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      • 😂 Pathetic Iggy, still struggling to defend his evil religion and then deflects to Islam. Who cares what some evil Christian dummy, who defends infanticide in his evil religion, thinks about Islam’s views on war?

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      • @ Erasmus

        That is incorrect and even during the time of the prophet(saw) did we had treaties with non-Muslims against Quraish. That was literally done less than 2 weeks coming into Madinah. You can also see rules given in the Quran for example:

        4:90. But as for those who seek sanctuary with people who you’ve made a peace treaty, or those who are remaining neutral…

        9:4. As for those who have honored the treaty you made with them and have not supported anyone against you, fulfill your agreement with them to the end of their terms because God loves those who are god fearing.

        So that’s just incorrect (and honestly doesn’t even make sense)

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  2. Reblogged this on The Quran and Bible Blog and commented:

    Lol, the missionary ran off like the road-runner in Looney Toons!

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  3. “What morality was the basis in the horror of dashing babies against the rocks and tearing pregnant women open”

    Did the biblical God command or carry out this action?

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  4. “Sometimes God does punish some people because their sins or as trials when the innocents can be affected and sometimes natural disasters are just the consequenes of God natural laws in very imperfect world.”

    So killing innocents to create a trial is ok for Allah then but how does that square with this:?

    “Quranic morality dictates that life is sacred that it can not be taken except way of justice and law (6:151).”

    An imperfect world? Why is the world imperfect then?

    Did Allah want to make it perfect but he was not able to?

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    • 😂😂 The desperation in this moron’s vain attempts to justify Biblical genocide is hilarious!

      This world is finite, you moron. It’s really quote simple. Allah never created this world to last forever. That is why He also created death. For life to exist in the natural world, there must be death. I know biology, or any scientific field, is not your forte, but try to understand this concept.

      Eric was referring to taking life outside the natural order, i.e., executing a criminal or killing an enemy combatant. These are not the same as stabbing a baby because you believe your made-up god commanded it.

      But this is all just a pathetic distraction. Comparing natural death to deliberate acts of murder is like comparing apples to oranges. #ChristiansAreSoStupid

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      • @ QB

        “For life to exist in the natural world, there must be death…”

        SubhanAllah it’s funny you said that my sis had just got done asking me about this ayah:

        30:19. He brings the living out of the dead and the dead out of the living. He gives life to the earth after death, and you will be brought out in the same way.

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    • When God allows natural disaster which caused human fatalities like this corona virus pandemic, it is not God who does the “killing” of the victims? The universe submit to God’s natural law and all form of matter and energy in it are affected to it so if God because of His infinite wisdom allow such natural disaster to happen as a trial which result in death of an innocent it still is a natural death not a murder.

      Why is the world imperfect? because only God is perfect.

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      • “if God because of His infinite wisdom allow such natural disaster to happen as a trial which result in death of an innocent it still is a natural death not a murder.”

        If he allows it is he decreeing it or not?

        And an innocent is killed just like God killing the Amalekite children?

        So what’s the difference at the end of the day?

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      • “So what’s the difference at the end of the day?”

        Um, one is a natural and the other is unnatural. Your basic argument for your evil religion is that since death exists, then it is okay to kill babies. Your religion is evil.

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    • @ Erasmus

      It’s not that God doesn’t have the ability to create a perfect world, He has simply decreed this life to be a test. You’re tested, I’m tested, QB, Eric etc. to worship God alone like you said you would. Yes God gives and takes life, but He ONLY commands what is good and just to the creation:

      7:28. …Tell them: “God does not command anybody to do disgusting acts. Are you saying things about God that you have no knowledge ?”
      7:29. Tell them: “My Lord commands being just and making sure you show up at every time and place of prayer. Call on Him and dedicate your faith only for His sake. The way you started off will be the way you’ll be coming back.”

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      • “It’s not that God doesn’t have the ability to create a perfect world, He has simply decreed this life to be a test. ”

        But it appears from the comments here that he doesn’t decree the individual events that cause the suffering that cause the human to be tested? Because the decree is a form of command is it not?

        How does that add up?

        The text in Job shows that God is in control of all the events that caused Job to suffer.

        The islamic concept of God seems to be fundamentally different to this.

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      • @ Erasmus

        Don’t know who told you that. This is surprisingly Iggy, is a concept of Tawheed you seem to understand (Ar Roobobeyah= His Lordship) Everything is in God’s control including both good and evil. He allows evil for the eventual good it will bring.

        “…When good comes, they say: “This is from God!” and when evil comes they say: “This is all your fault, this is from you!” Tell them: “It’s all from God.” So what’s wrong with these people that they fail to understand any words they’re told?” (4:78)

        This is one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam is destiny along with the good and bad that comes from it.

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  5. Iggy, you are an idiot plain and simple. What does NATURAL death have ANYTHING to do with people grabbing a baby and smashing it against rocks. Thats like someone saying “my wife just gave birth to my first child” and you comparing it to soldiers raping women and making them pregnant..

    There is ZERO CORRELATION Between the two.

    I swear man.. did you play football WITHOUT a helmet throughout highschool?

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  6. I think Scum Shamoun cheated on his wife with Iggy and that is why his marriage ended.

    I heard Giulio got jealous because he wanted his turn with Scum.

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  7. ““if God because of His infinite wisdom allow such natural disaster to happen as a trial which result in death of an innocent it still is a natural death not a murder.”

    If we add up all the innocent minors that have died in this manner over the course of the history of the world it is a safe bet that it is many more than died during the conquest of the land by Joshua.

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    • And that is irrelevant idiot. How does that justify murdering a baby? You crosstians are really sick in the head.

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    • @Erasmus

      So since this has come up again i’m going post the relevant portion of a past comment I made.-

      -That being said Allah(S.W.T) sends tribulations to innocents in this life for different reasons as laid out in scripture. And those innocents will have their reward in the hereafter. The creator has rights over his creation that the creation does not have.

      Now someone might ask “then whats the problem with God ordering soldiers to kill infants and children?” There is a distinct difference between God, his angels, and his prophets doing something on the one hand and his followers, the laypeople doing something on the other hand. For more detail see here

      https://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/12/10/killing-babies-for-who-allah-or-yahwehjesus-a-response-to-anthony-rogers-video-killing-babies-for-allah-and-his-allegation-that-the-quran-174-7-is-directly/

      the tldr from the link is these quotes

      “In order to carry out a divine commandment to kill a human baby, one must either be a complete saint, or the very opposite—an unbalanced, mentally unstable person whose soul is given to evil inclinations.”

      And

      “For the same God to make such demands of laypeople would be unjust, however, because it is indeed a burden greater than we can bear.”

      If i’ve said anything incorrect i ask the other muslims on the blog to correct me.

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  8. “““if God because of His infinite wisdom allow such natural disaster to happen as a trial which result in death of an innocent it still is a natural death not a murder.”

    So you guys are ok with Allah killing innocent minors as long as he does not command any humans to do it for him, as in the OT. Otherwise you have no problem with it. The earth has to be depopulated somehow. Why should minors be excluded from the process? This seems to be Faiz’s justification.

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    • You are one sick crosstian. Only a sick, demented person would try to excuse murdering babies by comparing it to natural death. But alas, that is due to the evil influence of Christianity on your mind. Christianity destroys a person’s ability to use reason.

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    • @Erasmus

      So since this has come up again i’m going post the relevant portion of a past comment I made.-

      -That being said Allah(S.W.T) sends tribulations to innocents in this life for different reasons as laid out in scripture. And those innocents will have their reward in the hereafter. The creator has rights over his creation that the creation does not have.

      Now someone might ask “then whats the problem with God ordering soldiers to kill infants and children?” There is a distinct difference between God, his angels, and his prophets doing something on the one hand and his followers, the laypeople doing something on the other hand. For more detail see here

      https://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/12/10/killing-babies-for-who-allah-or-yahwehjesus-a-response-to-anthony-rogers-video-killing-babies-for-allah-and-his-allegation-that-the-quran-174-7-is-directly/

      the tldr from the link is these quotes

      “In order to carry out a divine commandment to kill a human baby, one must either be a complete saint, or the very opposite—an unbalanced, mentally unstable person whose soul is given to evil inclinations.”

      And

      “For the same God to make such demands of laypeople would be unjust, however, because it is indeed a burden greater than we can bear.”

      If i’ve said anything incorrect i ask the other muslims on the blog to correct me.

      Also

      “The earth has to be depopulated somehow.”

      …WUT?!…

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  9. Yes, you read that right Vaqas. Iggy has suggested that killing babies is a form of population control. I wonder if he thinks that could be applied in our times, since the world’s population has now reached an unprecedented 8 billion people. 🤔

    You know I’ve been thinking of doing a thread on the idiotic wisdom of Iggy. We should bring his many unbelievably stupid comments together into one handy guide. I truly think that Iggy is an embarrassment to Christian apologetics, which is why you never see any Christian actually supporting his comments.

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  10. “This world is finite, you moron. It’s really quote simple. Allah never created this world to last forever. That is why He also created death. For life to exist in the natural world, there must be death. I know biology, or any scientific field, is not your forte, but try to understand this concept.”

    I was merely suggesting a possible rationale for your comment because you gave none.

    Not stating my own beliefs.

    Faiz: “there must be death” of innocent minors for some reason which he does not disclose?

    Eric. There must be natural deaths of innocent minors for trials.

    Any more reasons that Muslims ( Islam ) can come up with?

    And the islamic deity is much more merciful and just than the biblical one, supposedly?

    But why or how, beats me?

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    • 🤣 How does it beat you? Because your god said to stab a baby! Seriously, please commit yourself to an asylum. You are insane! How does natural death justify MURDERING a BABY, you sick pig?

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    • Allah is much more merciful than your evil, made-up god. Let’s look at the reasons.

      1. Allah commands mercy even after defeating one’s enemies and prohibits violence against non-combatants. The Biblical god is a violent, unforgiving tyrant.

      2. Allah says that children and babies are innocent and will go to heaven. The Biblical god thinks all people, including babies, are sinners deserving of hellfire. Only accepting Jesus saves a person. A baby cannot do that, so how can it be saved?

      3. Allah says that when a child dies, if the parent remains patient, then they will be in Paradise together. Similarly, if a woman dies giving birth, the baby will drag her by the umbilical cord to Paradise.

      4. Allah says that His Mercy to mankind is similar to a mother for her child. The Biblical god shows no such capacity for mercy.

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  11. Hey guys, were you aware that the Bible gives instructions on how to carry out an abortion for women who have been accused of adultery but have lied under oath? I’m not kidding. See Numbers 5.

    “The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.”

    So when you hear conservative Christians claiming to be “pro-life” in the abortion debate, show them this verse. The hypocrisy is amazing!

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