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  1. Christian can’t see those contradictions because they were blindfolded by trinity. Like I said “Christian is NOT Jesus follower but Jesus worshiper”.

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    • I disagree. Many are aware of the contradictions but suppress them deep down. They have no answer. That was my experience as a Christian.

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      • Paul, they can’t see it doesn’t mean they don’t know. If they have no answer at least they should admit it ,but if they admit it then likely they will quit from christianity or like you said they suppress them down and keep believing Jesus is God. Like Kane speaker corner said “Come to Christian, we don’t need to work hard, we just believe in Jesus and we’ll be saved”. They just blindfolded by trinity.

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  2. Ehrman has a very shallow understanding of the Gospel according to Matthew.

    In order to do the good works of Matthew 25, one has to first become a true sheep / a true disciple.

    The whole book is about discipleship (Make disciples of all the nations (ta ethna / τα εθνη = all ethnic linguistic people groups – Matthew 28:19, which is a literary inclusio harkening back to 4:17-19 – repent, follow Me) and who are true disciples / sheep, who follow the true Shepherd Jesus.

    The Magi (more than three, Gentiles, non-Jews, wise men out of the east – the Persian Empire at that time – probably some from Persians and other ethnic groups within Persian Empire – Arabs, Babylonians, Medes (Kurdish people of today come from the Medes), Assyrians, etc.), came to worship Jesus as the Messiah, the king of the Jews, the virgin born Messiah and Savior from sins and Immanuel, “God with us” (1:18-25) the true shepherd (2:1-12; see 2:6 – where Micah 5:2 is quoted that the Messiah is the Shepherd). Gentiles are being included as sheep. (2:1-12; 4:13-15; 8:10-12; 10:18; 11:25-30; 12:15-21; 15:17-28 (opens the way for Gentile Canaanites (because she realized her sin and cried out for mercy and did not play self-pity, “I am a victim” games; rather she accepted Jesus as the Son of David, Lord (Kurios), the fulfillment of OT as Messiah-King), and also that they do not have to become Jews or obey Kosher food laws – harmonious with Mark 7:19-23; Galatians, Acts 15, etc.) ; 21:43; 24:14; 28:19)

    To become a true sheep, there must be repentance and acceptance of Jesus for all He is. (4:17-19; 11:25-30)

    This includes His worthiness of worship (2:1-12; 14:33) and His atonement (20:28; 26:28; 26:31 – the quote from Zechariah 13:7 (strike the Shepherd and the sheep will be scattered” in 26:31 shows that Jesus the Messiah is the fulfillment of that and the striking is the death blow of the crucifixion – the atonement –

    so Matthew is fully harmonious with the apostle Paul writings and the gospel according to John and Hebrews and there is no contradiction whatsoever.

    All who are burdened and heavy laden from all nations, are welcome to come to Jesus Al Masih.

    Matthew 11:25-30

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    • “The Magi (more than three, Gentiles, non-Jews, wise men out of the east – the Persian Empire at that time – probably some from Persians and other ethnic groups within Persian Empire – Arabs, Babylonians, Medes (Kurdish people of today come from the Medes), Assyrians, etc.), came to worship Jesus as the Messiah, the king of the Jews, the virgin born Messiah and Savior from sins and Immanuel, “God with us” (1:18-25) the true shepherd (2:1-12; see 2:6 – where Micah 5:2 is quoted that the Messiah is the Shepherd). Gentiles are being included as sheep. (2:1-12; 4:13-15; 8:10-12; 10:18; 11:25-30; 12:15-21; 15:17-28 (opens the way for Gentile Canaanites (because she realized her sin and cried out for mercy and did not play self-pity, “I am a victim” games; rather she accepted Jesus as the Son of David, Lord (Kurios), the fulfillment of OT as Messiah-King), and also that they do not have to become Jews or obey Kosher food laws – harmonious with Mark 7:19-23; Galatians, Acts 15, etc.) ; 21:43; 24:14; 28:19)”

      So some pagan astrologers came to “worship” (the word doesn’t necessarily mean that anyway), and this is supposed to be “proof” that Jesus was God? Wow! Hey everyone, let’s worship an infant god, like Greek or Hindu pagans! Meanwhile, this same infant god had other infants killed in the most brutal fashion.

      But seriously, the whole story of the Magi is a rip-off of a historical meeting between Tiridates, the king of Armenia, and three “magi” with Nero. Nero blessed Tiridates’ rule of Armenia, and Tiridates pledged loyalty and offered worship to Nero. This meeting is mentioned in multiple Roman sources. They even state that the visitors returned home by going through a different route than the one they came by. The author of Matthew copied this story and applied it to the Nativity.

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    • And also, I’m confused. Didn’t Kennywise say that Christians don’t worship the human nature of Jesus? Am I mistaken?

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    • @Ken Temple

      Ken, don’t you find it troubling that God would have magicians come worship him as a sign in the NT when he explicitly rebukes their actions and occupation in the OT? Why should we take the actions of some astrologers as divine proof?

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    • @Ken Temple

      “The repented of their paganism and magic and astrology.”

      Can you show me from sola scriptura where it says that?

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      • 😂😂 Kennywise is lying again. This shaitan is truly a scumbag.

        How could the astrologers have “repented” when they used astrology to find their pagan god?

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      • It is implied by their spending so much effort to seek the Messiah out, to travel and come and “worship Him who has been born king (Messiah)of the Jews” (v. 1-2)

        Apparently, they had been studying the prophecy of Daniel in 9:24-27, which had been passed down for generation in the Persian Empire, which speaks of Messiah who would be an atonement for sins and be “cut off”.

        They accepted Him as the fulfillment of Micah 5:2 – eternal, Shepherd, born in Bethlehem – they then went to Bethlehem and worshiped Him.
        The 3 gifts were symbols of honoring Him as King (gold), God (worthy of worship through expensive incense) and the Myrrh was used in burial embalming, a symbol of showing honoring His death and atonement.
        They were persecuted by Herod, which shows they had become true believers, true sheep, true disciples. (2:6-12)
        They were warned by God in dream.
        They returned to their own “by another way” – showing they were changed – new creatures.
        They were the first believers in their nations and Acts 2 shows 4 different ethnic groups that came from Persian Empire on the day of Pentecost. (Parthians, Elamites, Medes, Mesopotamia (modern Iraq, part of Persia at that time)

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      • Moron, they use astrology to find their pagan god. They were still astrologers.

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      • But they sought out the Jewish Messiah of Daniel 9:24-27 and discovered Him in Bethlehem (accepting the Scripture of Micah 5:2 over the attitude of the scribes and Pharisees – who yawned in their nonchalant attitude, even though they knew the verse – they did not get up and go worship, but the Magi did.

        All of this shows they were changed and were new creatures, true sheep.

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      • No dummy, they used astrology to find their god. You are just making things up.

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      • Calling me a “moron” and a “monkey” and a liar proves you have no Piety or Saleh صالح or تقوی or truth حق

        “your throat is an open grave of rotting corpses and your mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”
        Romans 3:9-23

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      • Wah, wah, wah…the pagan whined. 😭

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      • Ken Temple: Calling me a “moron” and a “monkey” and a liar proves you have no Piety or Saleh صالح or تقوی or truth حق.

        Can we agree that, as a dishonest missionary, you also have no Piety or Saleh صالح or تقوی or truth حق?

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    • @Ken Temple

      “Because He is God in the flesh – the incarnation. “Immanuel” = “God with us” (Matthew 1:21)”

      Concerning Immanuel

      https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/bible/immanuel-god-with-us/

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  3. Ken, if in the Bible no contradictions then whoever read, learn and study the Bible would be in the same page about Jesus, some Christian believe Jesus is God and others believe otherwise, they hold the same Bible. Maybe you would say they are wrong but they also would say you are wrong.
    You see how come the same holy book but have different interpretation about God.
    Islam also have different “sects” but we have the same page about God, One and only God, Allah swt.

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  4. God uses nature / creation to reveal Himself.

    God can use good science, astronomy, to reveal Himself – as He did with the Magi.

    God speaks through creation and through dreams.

    God was not approving of the pagan astrology aspects of their former religion, but of the proper use of astronomy and honor to creation and God as creator of the sun and planets and stars, etc.

    The star was a miracle star, a miraculous star that moved and showed them the way.

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  5. Faiz / QB demonstrating again he does not even understand the basic definition of what a lie is.

    And demonstrating that his religion has no power to control his bad behavior and keyboard strongs.

    “Their throat is an open grave of rotting corpses, their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”

    Your cursing and hatred and insults are evidences of your evil heart and character.

    Romans 3:9-23

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  6. I have no fear of your false doctrines that are based on a 600 year late subjective false religion, made up by Muhammad, using Apocryphal gospels, heretics, Jewish Midrash & Talmudic non Torah interpretations [confirmed by Geiger], hearsay, oral traditions, and his own twists and imaginations from his own mind.

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    • Oh you will clown-monkey, you will. Your pagan theology will not help you die and when you face God on the Day of Judgement.

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      • We both believe in the Day of Judgment.

        You will have to face the Holy and Sovereign and Wrathful God of justice against your sin, and against you as a sinner, all alone with your own claims of being sincere in repentance and good works. Your sins will cause holy wrath to fall upon you, unless you repent in time. You are already under the wrath of God because of sin and there is no forgiveness without the atonement / ransom of Christ – John 3:36; 3:18; Mark 10:45; Hebrews chapters 7-10.

        Christians have the righteousness of Christ to cover them, the perfect righteousness of the perfect Savior, who atoned for our sins and who rose from the dead, and who lives and intercedes for us at the right hand of the Father. (1 John 2:1-2; Romans 8; Hebrews 7-9)

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      • 😂😂 I have no worries about meeting your fake god, just as I have no worries about meeting Charon, the ferryman in Greek mythology. Why should I fear fake gods like yours, which behaves and even looks like pagan gods (Daniel 7)?

        The reality is that pagans like you will have their faces darkened on the Day of Judgement and then thrown into fire. Of course, I’d rather this not happen to anyone, but when it happens, and it will happen, I will be happy that arrogant, lying pagans like yourself get what they deserve.

        Now go back to studying bad science like astrology, you moron. 🤣🤣

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      • I feel sorry for you. Pity

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      • I won’t feel sorry for you, loser. 😂😂

        Don’t feel sorry me. Feel sorry for yourself, you pathetic loser.

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      • I feel sorry for you.

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      • Feel sorry for yourself, moron. I spit on your false god and false religion. 😁

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      • I still feel sorry for you. You joined those that mocked Jesus and spit upon Him and beat Him and crucified Him.

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      • Take your pity and shove it up your rear-end and feel sorry for yourself for descending into idolatry.

        I don’t spit on Jesus, moron. I spit on your fake idolatrous, trinitarian god. Jesus was and is God’s beloved prophet and if he returns in my lifetime, I hope I get a chance to meet him and be able to embrace him.

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      • @ QB

        Not ambitious enough I’m trying to marry my daughter to him. Also, Kennywise is just talking, dude already knows what time it is for him on Qiyamah.

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    • @ Ken

      As I said before you gluttonous slob we can both pray that I’m Muhammad’s neighbor wherever he’s at and you get the oppossite.

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      • Kennywise on the day of Judgement:

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      • @ QB

        Oh to be a fly on the wall of his grave when he learns. You know a real cool fun fact? Did you know Gid says in Surah Mudatthir every time he insults Islam and rejects the Message Hellfire calls his name personally? Whooo…

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      • Yes, I confess my gluttony as sin. My wife has been also helping me with proper eating and I have lost 50 pounds now. I am blessed by having peace and a Savior from sin and a wonderful wife.

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      • @ Ken

        Yeah, you talk all that BS but notice you didn’t want to make that prayer which shows even you don’t believe in the nonsense you say.

        Also, as noted by Tony you STILL engaged/engaging in gluttony so either:

        1. Your theology about a “Savior” is nonsense as it didn’t change your actions
        2. You have no true faith.

        So which is it, Ken?

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    • Ken, we Muslims already warned non-muslims. In judgement day don’t complain to God that you never heard The Quran. We just passed the messages, whether you accept it or not is up to you.

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  7. I like how Kennywise wrote an article responding to brother Paul, and we see the trackback at the bottom, letting everyone know. But while Kennywise the parasite uses this to promote his pathetic blog articles, he doesn’t allow the same on his blog, despite claiming to support “freedom of thought”.

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    • I like to read at the bottom of his article About Ken Temple, he said “I am a follower of Jesus Christ”, is he not worshiping Jesus anymore? or Is he unitarian now?

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    • I had to close my old articles because a Muslim who goes by Θ flooded all the comboxes with dozens of comments that was impossible to keep up with.

      With each new article, I set the com box for 14 days.

      There is only so much time one has to respond to you guys – multiple persons and too much to respond to.

      I just what I can reasonably do, according to God’s will and the time He allows.

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      • I just do what I can reasonably do, according to God’s will and the time He allows.

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      • Uh huh, sure. We know that you are a dictator who does not allow fair discussion on your idiotic blog. You have proven that over and over again.

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      • Given your hatred and sinful methods, why would anyone want to engage you anyway?

        You have already proven that you are no credible and I probably should not have spent so much time even debating with you as much as I have.

        Hopefully, others will see the truth, as time allows and good answers are given.

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      • 🤣🤣 Yes, I know you’re afraid. You’ve been refuted so many times, it’s not even funny.

        Others will see the truth, inshaAllah. They will see how pathetic Christian apologists are and the frankly terrible explanations they give for their pagan religion. People of conscience and reason will see the stupidity of your religion.

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  8. A true follower (disciple) of Christ is also a worshipper of Him for His Deity, which leads to the Doctrine of the Trinity.

    He is worthy of worship.

    Matthew 14:33

    Matthew 2:1-12

    Matthew 28:9

    Matthew 28:17

    John 4:23-24

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    • A true follower of Jesus worships Jesus’ God, you pagan. Worship of a human is idolatry, which the Tanakh and most of the NT, despite being corrupted books, rightfully condemn. It was pagans like the Hellenized Jew Paul the liar who turned Jesus’ beautiful message from God into a religion obsessed with blood and idolatry.

      You worship a man who himself said that he had a God. You are no different from a Greek or Hindu pagan. To make matters worse, your god was a bloodthirsty copy of pagan gods.

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      • Already dealt with those arguments for years.
        Sorry that I don’t have time to refute every single point. I already spend too much time answering you guys anyway.
        The truth is there is you want to research good books on the orthodox doctrines of the Deity of Christ and the Trinity.

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      • Hahahaha, all of a sudden, Kennywise has no time!

        The Gospel of Matthew claims that Jesus was worshiped by his followers (Matthew 14:33, 28:9, 28:17), and so does the Gospel of Luke (Luke 24:52) and the Gospel of John (John 9:38). However, scholars have pointed out that these verses do not prove that Jesus was worshiped as God. According to James Dunn (emphasis in the original):

        “..the use of proskynein in the sense of worship to Jesus seems to be rather limited. And there is a hint of uncertainty or hesitation as to whether this is the appropriate way to speak of the reverence due to Jesus.”[60]

        And as Laurence Brown has observed regarding the use of the Greek word “proskuneo” (emphasis in the original):

        “Taken in total, proskuneo can only imply divinity if Peter, David, and Elisha, among others, are included. Otherwise, selective translation must be assumed, for when the Roman soldiers proskuneo’ed to Jesus, they didn’t worship him, as the Bible translates. Rather, they mocked him with the salute offered to the kings and leaders of their time. Likewise, when the others proskuneo’ed to Peter, David, Elisha, the slave-master, et al. they showed their respect according to custom. So, too, with Jesus.”[61]

        Similarly, Geza Vermes notes:

        “The only example in which the disciples call Jesus ‘Son of God’ and ‘worship him’ comes from a late legendary addition by Matthew to the story of Jesus walking on the water (Matthew 14:33).”[62]

        Given that the divinity of Jesus is so central to Christianity, is it not rather amazing that the Gospels are so ambiguous about the worship of Jesus?

        https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/jesus-in-the-bible-and-the-quran/

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    • Ken Temple: Even Islam implies the incarnation, unknowingly, because it affirms the virgin conception…

      If virgin conception is all it takes for divine incarnation, then kids born through surrogate virgin mothers are also divine.

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    • Ken said : “A true follower (disciple) of Christ is also a worshipper of Him for His Deity, which leads to the Doctrine of the Trinity.”

      Jesus said: (John 4:)
      22. You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know. Salvation comes from the Jews.
      23. But a new time is coming. In fact, it is already here. TRUE WORSHIPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH. THEY ARE KIND OF WORSHIPER THE FATHER IS LOOKING FOR.
      24. God is spirit. His worshipers must worship him in the spirit and in truth.”
      25. The woman said, “I KNOW THAT MESSIAH IS COMING.” Messiah means Christ. “When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
      26. Then Jesus said, “THE ONE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE SPEAKING TO YOU. I AM HE.”

      Ken, Jesus say to worship The Father but you say to worship Jesus.
      Nowhere in the Bible Jesus say “worship me” but he always say “worship The Father” or “worship God alone”.
      You are not a true follower of Jesus but a true worshiper of Jesus.

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    • @Ken Temple

      Its fine Ken. When you have the time then.

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