The Recent Terrorism Related Conviction of a Speakers’ Corner Goer


Earlier this evening I gave short speech on the recent events at Speakers’ Corner. No Muslim will film me these days – only C.O.E. will give me a platform (which I had to share with Raj and Paperboy).



Categories: Extremism, Islam, Speakers' Corner, Terrorism

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  1. This “party” reminds me of this study. Yep! We still live in this world which demands from Muslims ,more than others, to prove their humanity and to prove being free from extremism.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/20/muslim-terror-attacks-press-coverage-study

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    • I don’t agree. It’s not Christians or Jews or Hindus who have in a problem with terrorism on the streets of London.

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      • @ Paul

        Well, when you’re oppressing others and disregarding treaty and law you don’t need terrorism.

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      • so we ‘need terrorism’???

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      • @ Paul

        Negative. However to state:

        “It’s not Christians or Jews or Hindus who have in a problem with terrorism on the streets of London.”

        As if some moral superiority is involved in the groups mentioned above is a gross oversimplification of the subject. The reason they don’t “engage in terrorism” is due to the political climate being biased or favoring them (ex. Iraq/Afghanistan war, Israel’s settlements, Modi’s extremist policies). If I took the exact same parameters and flipped them you would have the same behavior. Simply put, people do not do terrorist acts out of nowhere. They do it because they feel that was the last option and they had no other channels to express their issues (again not saying they’re right but to combat an issue you need to understand it) These incidents are an extreme reaction to countries aggressive foreign policies and the whole “well no other (insert group here) is doing terrorist acts” is:

        1. Not true
        2. Because those groups are not marginalized and have fair representation
        3. Media does not blow up (pun not intended) other group attacks

        Pre-9/11 no mention of terrorism post 9/11 all of a sudden extremist coming out of the woodworks what happened in between? The point is neither of these sides are innocent and neither imo deserves sympathy.

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  2. paul williams perhaps you need to watch this debate between James Goddard VS Sheikh Jaffer Ladak : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARzK4yDse6U

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  3. Paul, I applaud both your courage and determination to do the right thing despite the backlash you’ve faced from certain individuals. It shows in circumstances like this that justice can prevail and do its job in protecting people from such dangerous folks. Here’s hoping this is a trend that will continue to make our streets safe from violent extremists.

    Furthermore, have you considered creating the male version of charlie’s angels with Raj and Paperboy?
    It’s got legs, dude 😉

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    • Well said Patrobin! I’v said it before and I’ll say it again. Paul does important work and It can only make Islam stronger and the park a better place. Shamsi realized this too. I fail to see why Paul” work iis controversial and why he should be ostracised. It is rather those who do not take the bull by the horns wether in private or public.

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  4. I support Paul 100% on this issue!

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  5. Difficult to follow because of all the heckling and yelling and confusion, but I respect you Paul W., and commend you for speaking out on this issue.

    What is the group “Content Over Everything” ?

    What is their philosophy / belief / worldview, and purpose?

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  6. @ stewjo004
    Your arguments do not add up. You seem to be justifying why these terrorist are wrecking havock accross the world. Shifting the blame is a tactic that is now stale.
    Christian communities around the world are the most persecuted religious group. Why do we not find Christians commiting such acts under the umbrella of religion.
    Finally, did you say there were not terrorist acts pre 911?

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    • Peter: Why do we not find Christians commiting such acts under the umbrella of religion.

      Because you guys are a bunch of pushovers?

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    • @ Peter

      My apologies for your lack of reading comprehension allow me to first pull up my quote (with some emphasis) for your apparent dyslexia:

      “…again NOT saying they’re RIGHT BUT TO COMBAT AN ISSUE you need to understand it…”

      As for your “most persecuted group” it is simply a misdirection you are a whopping 3 countries above Muslims:

      Moving on yes there have been MANY Christian terrorist attacks (Christian right-wing white supremacist are responsible for MOST terrorist attacks in the US) So let’s get our facts straight real quick:

      “The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists. Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.”

      https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

      https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terrorist-killings-government-focus-jihadis-islamic-radicalism.html

      As I said previously they just don’t get as much coverage, which is strange considering this is an alleged “War on Terror” so why would your most common terrorist not be shown or trained for? It’s almost like this is just an excuse for various big companies to get access to other resources unchecked or something 🤔🤔🤔

      PS
      I work security and this is part of my job to be up to date on this. As a note “Islamic terrorism” was almost never mentioned Pre 9/11 barring isolated incidents (and this is even if I include things such as black militant groups such as the Nation of Islam, or other minorities such as Shia, etc under one giant umbrella.) Most Islamic extremism overseas really picked up around the 60s-80s after the creation of Israel (and again colonialism and the fall of the Caliphate had a lot to do with this, and this is a long story in and of itself)

      But anyway, now that it’s been established you don’t know what you’re talking about other than FOX news telling you how big Trump’s johnson is. It is not “shifting the blame” to call a spade, a spade and explain what grievances are in play TO BEST PROPERLY combat an issue (as opposed to going “Ye haw! They’re just jealous of our freedom! Those stupid sand niggers”) I feel no sympathy for either side as they’re both run by jack@$$e$ who only care about money and power.

      The majority of these groups (barring your lone wolf types) were supported, funded, trained (and in some cases like ISIS created) by western governments (mostly the US but they all outsource things like torture) and then when finished attempts to play the innocent victim card. Please see where QB and I wreck your fellow hillbilly redneck here:

      https://bloggingtheology.com/2019/06/25/the-temple-of-ignorance-a-response-to-ken-temple-on-dhimmis-jizyah-and-islam-part-iii/

      My only point is don’t act like things come from nowhere. If you screw people (regardless of who they are) don’t be a hypocritical “victim” when things happen. Thank you and have a nice day.

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      • @ Peter

        Oh, and I forgot to further bury my point home, the fact that you think “Islam” is the driving force of these groups shows the need for what I was saying as needing to properly understand a situation to combat it. From Paul, if you read his recommended links:

        “Many young Africans drawn to extremist groups know “little to nothing” about religious texts and interpretations, a UN study has found. The survey, the first of its kind in Africa, profiled nearly 500 voluntary recruits to militant groups including al-Shabab and Boko Haram.

        Finding a job is “the most acute need at the time of joining a group,” the report finds. It also points to government action as a “tipping point”…. The researchers also interviewed people of similar backgrounds to those recruited, but who did not become radicalised.

        Based on these sample groups, they say that receiving “at least six years of religious schooling [is] shown to reduce the likelihood of joining an extremist group by as much as 32%”.”

        vhttp://www.islamagainstextremism.com/articles/dmxyllr-boko-haram-and-al-shabab-recruits-lack-religious-schooling.cfm

        Look at that, the main reasons were “needing a job” and government action” (i.e corrupt dictators put into power by colonial powers doing bad, oppressive stuff). Even with those problems add some basic religious schooling and poof just like that that almost a 1/3rd chance of not joining pretty amazing right? Again, it’s not “shifting the blame” it’s having this thing called “nuance” and “not being retarded as you actually try to solve the problem”.

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      • Yea and let’s ignore the killing of MILLIONS of Muslims due to never ending wars created and funded by the West. The displacement of TENS of MILLIONS in war torn countries. The complete distruction of nations. But let’s focus on the poor poor xtians who only want to kill, steal and act innocent after the unbelieveble war crimes they have commmitted and continue to commit. Because when you wear a military uniform and murder children you’re not a terrorist but a hero.
        F@”§ those who have that attitude. I couldn’t care less if they were to drop dead right in front of me.
        They are the worst of creation!

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      • @ Atlad

        Oh very true I just didn’t want to muddy the waters further or overload my man with truth. The point is the incident if the fighting during the Sacred Months applies to people like him. Notice, God said we were wrong and committed a sin (no one disputes that) but who was doing the BIGGER stuff that lead up to this event, which is my point. We can talk to these people until we’re blue in the face, but at the end of the day nobody wants to hear that when their parents and children were killed for no reason and nobody will give them justice.

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  7. stewjo004
    First off, making snide comments will not make your arguments stronger rather will show how condescending you are.

    So I was right after all that Christian communities are the most persecuted.(didn’t have to go to PEW)

    Notice that you started by saying “Christian right-wing white supremacist” then you abandoned the “Christian” and stuck to “right-wing white supremacist”. You’d have to demonstrate here that whatever atrocities these supposed christian groups have committed, are scripts from the Bible.
    On the other hand I can clearly show you that when Muslims commit terrorist acts, they are acting out scripts from their books. You posit that they may be politically motivated, but Islam is politics and vice versa.

    You said
    ‘Many young Africans drawn to extremist groups know “little to nothing” about religious texts and interpretations.
    Well this underpins my arguments, they take their religion from their imams and sheikhs, who get them from the quran and sunna. You are dealing
    with folks who believe that the entire world is theirs.

    You talked about Boko haram and al shabab, trust me I am very familiar with that axis. Islamic terrorist have been wrecking havoc there for centuries, and their model this based on early Islamic caliphates(rashidun, umayyad abassid et al). Nothing has changed(ideologically) since then, beside not having the military might they used to have.
    Remember the embassy bombing in Kenya, that’s pre 911.

    Bottom line here is that it a whole lot easier to deal with lone wolves with no religious affiliations. Folks who say they are Christians and commit terrorist will hardly claim inspiration for their acts from the Bible and if they try, they’ll struggle to find any narrative from scripture to justify their actions. Can we say the same about muslims and Islam? Certainly not.

    By the way we all have something to cry about or that rubs us the wrong way, the answer can NEVER be to resort to terrorist acts.
    Quit looking for creative ways at justifying terrorist acts.

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    • @ Peter

      I agree that my snide comments don’t strengthen my arguments, the mountains of facts and links you were buried in do. My condensation is born from your ignorance, for example, me now having to now explain why I don’t need to write a long description repeatedly and used this magic thing called “abbreviation” (like how the world uses “ISIS” as opposed to writing all of “the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant)

      Moving on, dude your text is literally filled with disgusting, horrific alleged atrocities that you claim the prophets did that you all defend as morally justifiable examples include:

      (Laws of genocide (Deuteronomy 7:2
      https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/7-2.htm
      http://miraculousquran.blogspot.com/2009/08/list-of-surahs-explore-quranic-miracles.html
      https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/2-34.htm

      Murdering little boys and keeping little girls as sex slaves ( Numbers 31:14-18)
      https://biblehub.com/bsb/numbers/31.htm

      Jesus’s Second Coming (Revelation 19:11-16)
      https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

      Your text is FULL of this crap and I can keep going but the point is made. Either way, it’s irrelevant to the discussion in the same way Jim Jones or the Lord’s Resistance Army used text to justify what they did.

      But for giggles now, I’m going to challenge you to bring these alleged texts so everyone here can get a good laugh when you get intellectually slapped around like the last 30 new people who tried to do a copy and paste job from Answeringislam.com. Trust me this will end up with you looking really stupid and i love when people claim this as it shows they know NOTHING about the Quran.

      In conclusion, your dyslexia is showing again, those were not my words dumb@$$ that was a study done from the UN. But since we are going to play the exhibition game let’s look at all the countries the US has invaded in its meager 200-year existence:

      https://statpedia.com/stat/Countries_Invaded_By_US_Military_Since_1776/Skz-9Bx5

      As I said you are a hypocrite shedding crocodile tears, you want to be able to murder and pillage around the world with no one saying anything than lie to yourself at night that you’re a good person. Quit looking for creative ways to defend acts of oppression, murder, and displacement. Also because you’re a moron I’ll say it again: I am not justifying terrorist acts I believe they are evil and wrong as well but colonialist governments are FAR WORSE and killed FAR more many people and if they stopped none of these groups would be able to have any recruitment potential. These are just facts of life like water is wet and the sky is blue.

      PS

      Congratulations your the “most persecuted” religious group while also being the major persecutors in the world. Again lol you are a whopping three countries above Muslims. Good job.

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      • Peter: Islamic terrorist have been wrecking havoc there for centuries, and their model this based on early Islamic caliphates(rashidun, umayyad abassid et al).

        Terrorism is a modern phenomenon and has no precedence in Islamic history. The word ‘terrorism’ itself wasn’t coined until the 1960s and that too in a context that had nothing do with Islam. I challenge you to name ONE recognized scholar of terrorism that says Islamic terrorism goes back to the early Caliphates.

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  8. Atlas
    Muslims have been committing terrorists acts long before any of these wars you referenced. This is deeply rooted in the very early history of islam and its holy books.
    You will know them by their fruits. Atlas very cute of you to quote surah 98:6. Why stop there, perhaps you want to reference the hadith that says the world would not come to an end until muslims kill the Jews(paraphrase). What prevents
    Muslims CEO doing that right away? Take your best shot at explaining it.
    These violence perpetrated by Muslims have their origin in Islamic texts. You can either own up and deal with it or pass the buck as usual.

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    • “Muslims have been committing terrorists acts long before any of these wars you referenced. ”

      evidence?

      “This is deeply rooted in the very early history of islam and its holy books.”

      evidence?

      “You will know them by their fruits.”

      satanic followers of a dead idol on cross = rotten fruit.

      “Atlas very cute of you to quote surah 98:6. Why stop there, perhaps you want to reference the hadith that says the world would not come to an end until muslims kill the Jews(paraphrase).”

      quote the hadeeth.

      yhwh said this about the jews :

      Deuteronomy 28:15(JPT) – And it will be, if you do not obey the Lord, your God, to observe to fulfill all His commandments and statutes which I am commanding you this day, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you.

      Deuteronomy 28:28(JPT) – The Lord will strike you with insanity, with blindness, and with bewilderment.

      ” What prevents
      Muslims CEO doing that right away? Take your best shot at explaining it.
      These violence perpetrated by Muslims have their origin in Islamic texts. ”

      SHOW THE texts f-ker.

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      • @ tony

        Oh, we won’t because he’s just trying to say anything to avoid the embarrassment of being proven of not knowing what he’s talking about.

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      • “Muslims have been committing terrorists acts long before any of these wars you referenced. ”
        evidence?”

        The evidence is found throughout Islamic sources,as well as Islams own history of invasion and conquest,to “proclaim Islam over all religion” QS 48.28

        Mohammed declared war on “unbelievers” which is how he, and the first Muslims spread Islam,in accordance to Allah’s instructions.

        Nothing has changed because his example is considered eternally binding upon all Muslims.

        Sahih Muslim 33—The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

        Quran 3.151
        Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with God, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

        Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

        Quran 8.39
        And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
        Ibn Kathir 8.39
        The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr
        Allah said,
        (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah, and the religion will all be for Allah alone.)
        Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:
        (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) “Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing…….”

        Quran 9.111
        God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur ‘an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

        Sahih Muslim: Book 019, Number 4294:
        “It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say:Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…….
        …….If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai’ except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). [/b]If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands.[b] If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

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      • @ Everyone

        Alright, boys, we have our first copy and paster!!!

        @ leeson

        Let’s go one at a time until we exhaust them move onto another:

        “Mohammed declared war on “unbelievers” which is how he, and the first Muslims spread Islam,in accordance to Allah’s instructions.”

        This is incorrect if you’re going to make claims at least know the basics. Muslims were persecuted for 13 years before fighting. Now onto references, let’s start simple Q 8:39:

        First off lol this is referring to a specific incident and you can see that if you didn’t just quote a verse and actually read it by magically adding the verse before it (emphasis mine):

        8:38. Tell those who disbelieve, if they STOP now, they will be forgiven for whatever has HAPPENED BEFORE. But if they RETURN to the battlefield then the legacy who came before has already taken place.
        8:39. Fight them until there is no more turmoil or fear of attack and religion is God’s alone.
        8:40. If they don’t STOP, God is in full view of all that they’re up to. If they COME BACK then know that God is your protective friend. What an incredible protector and helper He’s been.

        So as you can see God is talking about the previously mentioned persecution of early Muslims and this is mentioned in the SAME chapter yu quoted:

        8:26. Remind yourselves of when you were few and weak throughout the land, and how you were afraid that people would snatch you away. But He gave you protection and strengthened you with His help as well as provided you with good things so that you might be thankful.

        8:33. God is not One to punish them while you were among them, nor will He be their punisher while some of them are seeking forgiveness.
        8:34. But why would God not punish them now when they block people from the Kaaba, although they are not its guardians? Only those who are god fearing are its rightful guardians, however most of them don’t realize this.

        This whole chapter was revealed after the first major battle of Muslims. Another reason why we can say “disbelievers” is not a general statement is the following:

        “8:55. The worst of living creatures, in God’s eyes, are those who’ve disbelieved, and they’re never going to believe.
        8:56. Those SAME ONES you had taken a pact from and they then broke it at every opportunity. They do not fear the consequences.

        As you can see no encouragement of mass genocide and killing babies like your text recommends. Just fight these people who were oppressing you and drove you from your homes as refugees. Ready to play another round, leeson?

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      • Sahih Muslim 33—The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

        so you think that the object of “commanded to fight” were peace loving “turn the other cheek” peoples ? this is not the case at all.

        Fight them until there is no more persecution and worship is for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

        Surat al-Baqarah 2:193

        If they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause for fighting against them.

        Surat al-Nisa’ 4:90

        If the enemy inclines to peace, then incline to it also and rely upon Allah. Verily, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.

        Surat al-Anfal 8:61

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        now compare to christianity :

        “Do you suppose that I [Jesus] came to grant peace on earth? I came not to bring peace, but a sword.” (Mat. 10:34); “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division… I have come to cast fire on the earth and how I wish it were already kindled.” (Luke 12:49,51)

        your religion has been very christ like.

        christianity is the cause of division and sword on earth.

        jesus never TOLD soldiers to stop being soldiers. christianity has TOLD its followers to LISTEN TO and obey those in power.

        and those christian authorities were using OLD testament and NEW covenant to spread their violent “love” and violent “loving division” all throughout the earth.

        “compel them to come in”

        yes, this is how you avoid the ot gods BLESSES AND CURSES.

        christians in power BROUGHT DIVISION among a people who did not harm them or hate them.

        “many theologians noted how the OT laid down laws and punishments galore that apparently were instituted by God to maintain His blessing and avoid His curses befalling the whole nation, including such laws as having no other god but Yahweh worshiped, under penalty of execution”

        yhwh

        “you SHALL have no god before me”

        “Galatians 1:8 Paul curses any man or angel who dares to proclaim a contrary gospel”

        HISTORY DOES NOT LIE. where are the PAGAN RELIGIONS in europe? where did they DISAPPEAR?

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      • @ tony

        Patience young grasshopper, one must go one at a time to not allow the ignorant to jump topic to topic when losing…

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    • What a pathetic reply. Explains exactly the mind of a xtian.
      In history you will always find people killing each other. The question is in what magnitude. Everyone knows that the ‘war on terror’ is pure bs to justify western invasions and killing of millions of people and stealing recources and bombing countries back to the stoneage. Never has in history there been such distruction and bloodbath in the ME after the invasion of the Mongolians as there is today thanks to you Westeners. You kill, steal and rape your way through life justifying it by law and using all sorts of fancy words and tricks to appear innocent.
      “Muslims have been committing terrorists acts long before any of these wars you referenced.”
      This can be said about pretty much everyone. Christians have been killing not just eachother but other religious groups before Islam even existed. If you think this is a refutation then you’re just another dumb man worshiper.
      You were challenged by Br Stew to bring these texts that justify terrorism. Where are they? We can bring the genocides in your book and all you’ll have to say is ‘O but but but it’s the OT bruh’ as if that makes it ok.

      As for the hadith about killing Jews. It talks about A jew hiding behind a rock who is to be killed in an APOCALIPTIC war where everyone will be at war. So what’s your point exactly??? Yes Jews will be against Muslims during that war. You kill people enemies in war. I mean you of all people should have no problem understanding this since you even kill innocent people on the other side of the world just to push your imperialism in their face.
      And omg man!!! You’re Jebus on his second return will KILL EVERYONE who doesn’t recognise him as king. So ALL the jews who deny him as king and Messiah will be slaughtered. Most xtians don’t even think we (Muslims) accept him as king which means he will slaughter us too.
      The arrogance, audacity and sheer hypocrisy on you crossworshipers is truly one of a kind.
      You really are the worst of creation.

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    • Q 2:11
      When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!”

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  9. Kmak
    Actually, you do not need any scholar for that, just pick up any history book and read. I mean Islamic history.

    Read about the legacies of jihad of uthman dan fodio(1800s) in what is now northern Nigeria.

    Read about Muhammed marwa aka Maitatsine.(late 70s)

    Read about Boko haram who continued where dan fodio stop. Boko haram are responsible for the death of over 20,000 Nigerians(a conservative figure).

    Read about the killer fulani herdsmen(pastoralists) who have wreck havoc in north central Nigeria. In a single Attack a few years ago, nearly 2000 people were literally butchered using matchetes.

    The common denominator is Islam/jihad/caliphate.

    This religion is bad news for the world.

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    • Peter: Actually, you do not need any scholar for that, just pick up any history book and read. I mean Islamic history.

      Spoken like a true internet troll. Yeah, let’s pick up a history book. How about the New Cambridge History of Islam? Let’s start with Volume 1 which documents the “…Formation of the Islamic World, Sixth to Eleventh Centuries”. The number of times the words “terror” and “terrorism” appear in this volume is exactly 0.

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  10. @ Everyone

    Notice Peter didn’t want that smoke about these alleged texts. He quotes the “know them by their fruits” and went on the usual ramble while ignoring the fact that his religion contributed basically nothing to the world and terrorized Europe so much they had to create “secularism” because they were terrified at the thought of them ever gaining power again. Or the fact that it is literally what pops into people’s minds when they think of a corrupt and decadent priesthood. Absolutely hilarious.

    PS

    He also ignored the horrific, disgusting atrocities in his book that he has no idea who wrote but blindly follows as he continues to call to the worship of a human who will deny him on the Day of Judgement.

    PSS
    Bonus round on “you will never be able to justify atrocities from our text”

    Those little girl sex slaves mentioned earlier were raped (Deuteronomy 21:14)
    https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/21-14.htm

    Genocide (Judges 20:48)
    https://biblehub.com/judges/20-48.htm

    More killing women and children (Joshua 8:24-25)
    https://biblehub.com/joshua/8-24.htm

    Even more, killing women and children (Joshua 6:21)
    https://biblehub.com/joshua/6-21.htm

    A prayer for the one who takes the babies of Babylon and smashes them against rocks (Psalm 137:9)
    https://biblehub.com/psalms/137-9.htm

    But hey there’s no justification in the Bible I guess unless you read it.

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  11. @stewjo004

    Seems you don’t like to quote and comment on the other verses I mention,which advocate and condone fighting unbelievers, to kill and get killed in Allah’s cause,indicating a certain dishonesty on your part.

    Your own sources tell you it is” unbelief” in Allah,nothing else,which automatically marks someone a target of war.

    Islam puts Muslims at war with non Muslims,it is a direct threat to global peace and security.proving Islam is a harmful and dangerous ideology,not a true religion in line with the Bible, as it pretends to be.

    No true prophet of the Bible ever taught anyone to fight and kill in God’s name,they preached repentance from sin,and to obey God’s i.e.YHWH’s commandments based on love of God, and all people regardless of faith.

    Muslims can only have” love” for Muslims,no one else,as Allah has no love for unbelievers QS 3.31-32,Muslims must do the same,which is in direct opposition to YHWH’S commands,and the one who opposes YHWH is Satan.

    Quran 8.39
    And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

    Ibn Kathir 8.39
    The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr

    Allah said,
    (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah, and the religion will all be for Allah alone.)

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) “Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing……

    Quran 9.111
    God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur ‘an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

    Sahih Muslim: Book 019, Number 4294:
    “It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say:Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah.
    Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war,

    do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…….
    …….If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai’ except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). [/b]

    If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands.[b] If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

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    • “they preached repentance from sin,and to obey God’s i.e.YHWH’s commandments based on love of God”

      1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
      2 “Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people.”
      3 Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the LORD’S vengeance on Midian.

      7 So they made war against Midian, just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.

      you must agree here that mose was OBEYING gods command to LOVE and WHILE he was HACKING every male, it was BORN out of love?

      “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.”

      you demonstrate this through obeying yhwh and killing

      17 “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
      18 “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

      this FITS with “love your god will ALL your heart and all your soul”

      LOVE does not mean VIOLENCE free.

      16 “Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes.

      So do you agree that the only way to LOVE god is to DO WHAT he commands?

      do you agree that it is VENGEance with love?

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    • @ leeson

      Really? That was the best you could come up with? I’ll help you out as you’ve probably never had an intelligent conversation in your life. We go one reference at a time so that nobody can jump around to another as their are getting beat. Once I refute your poor research, I move to the next one refr0ence until they’re all done. See how simple that is? Now do you concede 8:39 is not a reference to commit acts of violence (as I’ve proven from the primary text) or do you want to attempt a refutation (really just copy and pasting one line quotes without context)?

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      • @ leeson

        PS
        “No true prophet of the Bible ever taught anyone to fight and kill in God’s name,they preached repentance from sin,and to obey God’s i.e.YHWH’s commandments based on love of God, and all people regardless of faith”

        That’s a bold face lie. Your text makes the prophets into genocidal raping maniacs please see above where I quote about 1e refrences where they order women and children to be killed and to rape little girls. Please stop lying as EVERYONE here is familiar with your book.

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    • “Muslims can only have” love” for Muslims,no one else,as Allah has no love for unbelievers QS 3.31-32”

      Allah loves ALL babies born to NON-MUSLIMS, including the ones your pagan yhwh told the hebrews to massacre.

      Allahs gives His love to everyone; it is cross worshipers who reject it.

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      • “Allahs gives His love to everyone”

        Allah proves you wrong

        Quran3.32
        Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

        Quran 30.45
        That He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

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      • READ what i fukin wrote you prick.

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      • it is humans WHO REJECT the love of GOD.

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        Allāh loves His creation by default. Then, based on deeds, they can become excluded. There hasn’t ever been a baby born to non-Muslims whom Allāh has not loved.

        ////

        God gives HIs love to everyone.

        When a pagan IDOL cross worshipper REJECTS ALLAHS love, why should ALLAH continue to love a pagan?

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    • “Seems you don’t like to quote and comment on the other verses I mention,”

      because he said ONE text by one text. no machine gunning.

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  12. stewjo004

    “No true prophet of the Bible ever taught anyone to fight and kill in God’s name,they preached repentance from sin,and to obey God’s i.e.YHWH’s commandments based on love of God, and all people regardless of faith”
    “That’s a bold face lie. Your text makes the prophets into genocidal raping maniacs please see above where I quote about 1e refrences where they order women and children to be killed and to rape little girls. Please stop lying as EVERYONE here is familiar with your book.”

    No lying required.

    The battles referred to in the O.T.are relevant to the Children of Israel only,they are descriptive,not prescriptive.

    The Quran and Mohammed’s example are considered prescriptive not descriptive,meaning fighting/warfare is prescribed for Muslims,eternally:

    Quran2.216

    Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

    .”Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) “Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing……”

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    • “The battles referred to in the O.T.are relevant to the Children of Israel only,they are descriptive,not prescriptive.”

      the ot never said that and the terrorists in your religion never interpreted them as descriptive but divine commands applicable to their own times.

      history doesn’t lie. the hebrews and christians in both testament for very krist like.

      how did jesusyhwh TELL the jews to hack unborn? was it a Direct stab in the stomach? was it a CUT out?

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    • jewish rabbis who read the torah and according to jesus SIT on moses seat say that SELF DEFENSE is PERFECTLY permissable according to the torah.

      You snipped the next verse you fukin krister

      Quote:
      They ask you about the sacred month – about fighting therein. Say, “Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing.” And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever – for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.

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    • Leeson: The battles referred to in the O.T.are relevant to the Children of Israel only,they are descriptive,not prescriptive.

      Can you name just ONE pre-modern Rabbi that says the verses in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 are descriptive and not prescriptive?

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  13. @ leeson

    Doesn’t matter if it’s “descriptive” you still believe prophets killed surrendering women and children over religion (despite lying and saying that’s not the case) As a secondary note, Jews DO NOT believe this and derive rulings from it. Also, your text claims Jesus(as) will also follow in these same genocidal rampages (Revelations 19:11-16) There is no text in Islam that has this straight up unnecessary savagery.

    Also, why do you keep jumping Islamic refrences lol? Stick to one at a time then after you’re proven wrong (like I did with your abuse of surah 8) then move to the next. “Machine gunning” refrences proves the weakness of your argument.

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