“I left Islam because it objectifies women and I want to able to show my cleavage and wear short skirts.”
Categories: Anti-Islam, Ex Muslims
“I left Islam because it objectifies women and I want to able to show my cleavage and wear short skirts.”
Categories: Anti-Islam, Ex Muslims
nice to see you only have rather pathetic strawmen to attack.
They are so desperate
Theists are. I suppose that realizing that they aren’t as special as they thought is upsetting. No one needs them or their versions of their gods.
How is this a strawman? And a strawman of what exactly?
Many ex-Muslims use such excuses: O Islam makes you cover up and hence supresses women.
Paul tries to pretend that all ex muslims say this which makes it a strawman since that is not the case. Most ex-muslims say that the evidence doesn’t hold up so they don’t believe any more. Believers don’t like thinking that a ex-believer has quite valid reasons for not believing anymore.
Christians try the same strawmen, presenting atheists as only wanting to “rebel”, and that’s a lie too. Most of us aren’t or never were Chrisians since there is no evidence for this god or the events claimed around it.
No one needs to believe in magical horse rides, fake plagues, etc. They are made up nonsense just like most religions have.
“Paul tries to pretend that all ex muslims say this which makes it a strawman since that is not the case.”
Where in this post does it say ALL ex Muslims? Paul himself went away from Islam for a bit (and then came back Alhamdullilah!) and it was not based on such reasons so you are actually the one attacking strawman.
And infact MOST Ex-Muslims talk like this. We never say that this is the ONLY thing they say after leaving Islam nor does the quote above. So that’s also a strawman.
Anotha one!
I don’t know if you are a native english speaker but it is understood that if there isn’t a qualifier, this means all of a certain group. For example, if you read “All Muslims respect Mohammed.” you would understand it as “all Muslims respect Mohammed.” Same with “White geese are white.” which is understood as “all white geese are white”. Here is a good website on how to understand this: https://www.chompchomp.com/terms/collectivenoun.htm
If Paul wanted to be honest and accurate, he would have said “Some Ex-Muslims be like: ”
And no, most ex-muslims don’t talk like that. But you evidently hope they do so their arguments can be ignored. An atheist terrifies a theist because we show that no one needs your god or you.
((((I don’t know if you are a native english speaker but it is understood that if there isn’t a qualifier, this means all of a certain group.))))
Not if ‘all of a certain group’ is far fetched. We say Germans started were nazis in WWII but we know it’s a percentege of Germans and not all Germans. Stop trying to weasel your way out of a fail attempt to score some cheap points.
((((
And no, most ex-muslims don’t talk like that))))
Except they do talk like that and not just a little. Who do you think has listened more to ex-muslims, you or me?
Vast majority of them DO say things like ‘ Oow in Islam you can’t do this or you have to do that, bla bla bla’. Dude this isn’t even a debateble point. Most of them are a bunch of whining kids complaining their daddy didn’t let them have their FREEEEEDOM.
(((((But you evidently hope they do so their arguments can be ignored. An atheist terrifies a theist because we show that no one needs your god or you.)))))
I don’t have to hope anything since I have listened to their bitching and whining for years and speak from experience.
And what is it with you bags of zapping atoms that you alsways self-project your insecurities upon believers? Islam was here before you and it will be here long after you’re gone and forgotten. You’re just a zit on a timeline. Get over yourself.
not weaseling, and saying the germans is wrong. But nice try to ignore my point.
You have no evidence for your baseless claims, atlas. I can look at the various ex-muslim groups and they rarely say that they left because of clothes. They left because the religion is as silly as Christianity. So agian, you and Paul are wrong.
So, dear, where did I “project” any insecurities. Islam was here a lot longer than me but that’s just an appeal to age/tradition, a logical fallacy. As for it being around a long time, yep, it probably will be since religion makes promises very appealing to the fearful and ignorant.
Your supposed prophets are zits too. Their claims are demonstrably false. Islam will do just want it has always done, split into fractions, and have believers all certain that their personal interpretation is the only true one. We can see you just as happily murdering each other as Christians were, over whose imaginary friend was real.
O boy you blew me way with those amazing denials!
“But nice try to ignore my point.”
I didn’t. Show me where? You just can’t stand it when you’re proven wrong.
((((You have no evidence for your baseless claims, atlas. I can look at the various ex-muslim groups and they rarely say that they left because of clothes. They left because the religion is as silly as Christianity. So agian, you and Paul are wrong.))))
Lol! So wait a minute, you say I have no evidence for my claims but then you procede to make claims without evidence? The intelligence of you bags of zapping particles is incredible!
Nearly ALL ex-Muslims bring up the cloth ‘argument’ and that it ‘supresses’ women.
I know this better than you do since I have more experience with the facinating tales of ex-Muslims.
(((((So, dear, where did I “project” any insecurities. Islam was here a lot longer than me but that’s just an appeal to age/tradition, a logical fallacy. As for it being around a long time, yep, it probably will be since religion makes promises very appealing to the fearful and ignorant.)))))
Since you missed the obvious let me break it down for your little monkey brain: your little attempts to even scratch Islam are just in your imaginary lala land.
Since you’re here how about you actually try and prove Islam wrong instead of being a pathetic loser? How does that sound? But who am I kidding, you’ll just duck and run and claim you won.
((((((Your supposed prophets are zits too. Their claims are demonstrably false. Islam will do just want it has always done, split into fractions, and have believers all certain that their personal interpretation is the only true one.)))))))
And yet you still haven’t proven anything about their claims being “demonstrably false”. And no buddy they aren’t zits. Zits are forgotten, like you will be.
((((Islam will do just want it has always done, split into fractions, and have believers all certain that their personal interpretation is the only true one. We can see you just as happily murdering each other as Christians were, over whose imaginary friend was real.))))
The good old “There are multiple options so therefor religion is false”. To bad it has ZERO weight and proves the pure idiocy that is atheism.
And thanks to mostly the foreign policies of Western scum, the Middle East is in the state it is in now. That’s because many people are warmongering thugs here in the West who will get what’s coming to them, either in this world and/or in the Hereafter.
Do stick around! We could use another laughing stock since agnostic is starting get boring with his usual 1 sentence statements with zero basis.
Poor Atlas, You have nothing to support your claims as usual. It’s great to see you are trying to move the goal posts, when Paul tried to claim that the only argument that ex-muslims use is the “cloth” argument, and now we have you now admitting that isn’t true.
https://twitter.com/CEMB_forum
https://www.facebook.com/939470669424869/posts/the-below-testimony-is-the-best-one-yet-from-an-ex-muslim-that-i-have-come-acros/1270863132952286/
https://exmuslims.org/mini-documentaries/
among other examples.
Islam is wrong for the same reasons Christianity and Judaism are wrong (and every other religion claiming magic). There is no evidence for the supposed magical events claimed. No miracles, no magical flood, no magical creation, no Mo’ riding on a magic pony, etc. No evidence for an “exodus”. What we have are the same baseless claims from all religions, and all of you don’t believe each other’s versions since there is no evidence. You give a pass to your own because you vainly think that your version has to be the only true one.
Since there are many options, and NO religion has shown them to be true, then there is no reason to think that you have the true one, Atlas. The argument has plenty of weight, since again, none of you can show you are better than the others. But as soon as you can show that a Muslim can do magic, then we may have something to talk about. Demonstrate that you have the one true religion. And remember not to use the same arguments that you don’t believe from other religions.
As an example of how claims by Islam fail “There is no disease that God Almighty has created, except that He also has created its cure” So, funny how your god must have really hated people before it “allowed” people to discover antibiotics, anesthesia, etc. Of course, there is no god allowing anything and humans do the hard work, no god needed.
I agree, western foreign policy has really screwed up the Middle East. And one more failing threat “in the hearafter”. We know that theists need to do what their gods can’t since those gods are imaginary. That is why terrorism shows that religion is a failure and gods don’t exist.
((((Poor Atlas))))
Don’t see why I’m a poor Atlas since I’ve been kicking your ass so far and your ego can’t handle it.
(((((You have nothing to support your claims as usual.))))
Except I did. Your monkey brain just can’t see the obvious. First you say I have no evidence for saying that most muslims and then you make the statement that most muslims don’t argue like the quote from Paul. Are you so stupid to not see the irony there?
Then you give me 2 sites as if that’s a refutation of anything. How does that refute what I said? How does that “prove” that most ex-muslims aren’t whining about women having to wear Islamic clothes? Go to any of those site and ask people whether they complain about women having to clothe Islamically and even they will prove you wrong.
(((((It’s great to see you are trying to move the goal posts, when Paul tried to claim that the only argument that ex-muslims use is the “cloth” argument, and now we have you now admitting that isn’t true.)))))
You see I don’t know whether you’re stupid or acting like it. Nowhere in the quote does it say that it’s the “ONLY” argument. It’s a ONE sentence dumbass. No one here thinks that that is the ONLY “argument” they use.
Here is what I said initially:
“””Many ex-Muslims use such excuses: O Islam makes you cover up and hence supresses women.””””
Also:
“””””Where in this post does it say ALL ex Muslims? Paul himself went away from Islam for a bit (and then came back Alhamdullilah!) and it was not based on such reasons so you are actually the one attacking strawman.
And infact MOST Ex-Muslims talk like this. We never say that this is the ONLY thing they say after leaving Islam nor does the quote above. So that’s also a strawman.””””
((((There is no evidence for the supposed magical events claimed.))))
There is no evidence needed for those events. One millionth of occurences in the past can be ‘proven’ today. People find things even till this day and then say ‘O well it DOES turn out to be true’.
And as for the Prophet, what evidence do you need of his night journey? A video recording? Even if we had thousands of reports of people claiming they saw it, you would still say it’s either made up or they were hallucinating.
(((((Since there are many options, and NO religion has shown them to be true, then there is no reason to think that you have the true one, Atlas. The argument has plenty of weight, since again, none of you can show you are better than the others.))))
The verbal diarrhea you throw every which way is based on your opinion which no one here gives a damn about. ‘there is no reason to think that you have the true one,’ is your baseless claim.
If you want to believe that zapping particles create moral values then be my guest. But don’t come here and act intellegence while you believe that bullshit.
(((((But as soon as you can show that a Muslim can do magic, then we may have something to talk about.)))))
Muslims aren’t allowed to do magic. We never said that we can. Typical atheists: Make up some stuff about us and then go with it.
((((Demonstrate that you have the one true religion.))))
The Qur’an demonstrates that.
(((((And remember not to use the same arguments that you don’t believe from other religions.))))))
Let me guess this is the part where you’ll say: but but but the christians also say the bible shows they have the true religion.
As if that somehow makes the bible true and the Qur’an wrong or vice verca.
You have yet to prove anything wrong after countless of comments. Be a man and prove anything wrong. You won’t. You’ll just start of with ‘O poooor Atlas, again you have nothing’.
Pathetic.
How about you start showing how moral values fit into your zapping theory? You bags of chemicals make shit up all the time and then claim SIENCE while in reality it’s just fantasy. And then turn around and talk about religion being made up.
(((((As an example of how claims by Islam fail “There is no disease that God Almighty has created, except that He also has created its cure” So, funny how your god must have really hated people before it “allowed” people to discover antibiotics, anesthesia, etc. Of course, there is no god allowing anything and humans do the hard work, no god needed.))))
You’re joking, right???
How does humans discovering cures go against God creating them? Are you seriously suggesting that the Prophet claimed that civilazation at that point in time had already all the cures for all the diseases????
Wooow, just woow!!! No you really are stupid!
All the hadith is saying is that there is a cure for all diseases. Not that we have all the cures discovered.
(((((We know that theists need to do what their gods can’t since those gods are imaginary. That is why terrorism shows that religion is a failure and gods don’t exist.))))
O boy, that part where you said “since those gods are imaginary”, that’s where I thought ‘Damn son, how am I ever going to refute that opinion’. Man you got me real good.
(((((That is why terrorism shows that religion is a failure and gods don’t exist.)))))))
The moment you make an argument instead of statements (based on your wishful thinking), me and the rest here will happely engage with you.
But keep the idiotic comments coming. We need those laughs. ‘Agnostic’ alone ain’t entertainment enough. But a clown like you will surely do the trick.
Welcome to the blog, you bag of zapping particles!
I guess you have to claim you’ve been “kicking” my ass since no one has noticed.
and nice nonsense to excuse why you have no evidence for the claims in the qu’ran. Yep, evidence is needed if you aren’t simply a liar.
I do love someone who tries to claim science is false but uses it every day. You are a wonderful hypocrite, Atlas. How many times have you gone to the doctor? used a computer? GPS? Ate modern foodstuffs? And you only hate science when it shows that your delusion that you are special is false. The same science as we use to breed animals, create computers, etc is the same science that says your nonsense about “splitting the moon” is a lie.
Still waiting for you to show that your version of the Muslim god is real.
I’m quite happy to be a “zapping bag of particles”. As soon as you can show you aren’t, I’ll be impressed.
((((I guess you have to claim you’ve been “kicking” my ass since no one has noticed.))))
Everyone noticed dear. Now do try to fight back cus you’re making it easy.
((((and nice nonsense to excuse why you have no evidence for the claims in the qu’ran. Yep, evidence is needed if you aren’t simply a liar.))))
You asked me to show why Islam is true and I derected you to its main source. If you don’t like then you can beat it. It’s as simple as that.
And since you claim evidence is needed to show one isn’t a liar then I’ll happely wait for that imaginary evidence YOU have on your zapping theory with no god. We all will in fact!
(((((I do love someone who tries to claim science is false but uses it every day. You are a wonderful hypocrite, Atlas. How many times have you gone to the doctor? used a computer? GPS? Ate modern foodstuffs? )))))
I never said sience is false. No need to lie about what I said. So your pathetic list doesn’t impress anyone. You see this is the arrogance of you meatbags. Coming along and claiming sience is what you define it to be. No one asked you. Sience and religion are not in odds with one another no matter how much you dislike it. Religion encompasses sience. Sience is insufficient to answer important questions whether you like it or not. Science will never be able to provide answers to questions such as ”Where do we come from, how and why did everything ‘start’, what are moral valurs” etc.
((((And you only hate science when it shows that your delusion that you are special is false. ))))
And we are all waiting in great excitment to prove to us how we’re wrong. Just saying it doesn’y impress anyone but simpletons.
((((I’m quite happy to be a “zapping bag of particles”. ))))
Then you’re happy with very little. In fact you’re happy with pretty much nothing since if we’re all just meaningless atoms attracting and repelling each other then you have as much ‘value’ as sewage water.
You want me to show how I’m more than just “zapping bag of particles”? Easy.
I have value and I’m able to recognize it just like any other human being is able to recognize it. But in a mere materialistic world, the term ‘value’ has no meaning since the term value isn’t a materialisticly defined word. Hence from a materialistic point of view there is no such thing as ‘worth more or worth less’ and that’s why in that worldview you’re just as much worth as the shite that comes out of my cat’s butthole. I would say don’t feel insulted but an insult is just a meaningless worthless concept in a mere materialistic wordview soooo…..
But who I’m kidding, you will be insulted (eventhough you might say you’re not to give the impression you’re having the upperhand) and more zaps in your brain will lead you to say more stupid stuff.
It is … Inevitable.
Let the whining begin.
again, since the qu’ran lies, then there is no reason to believe it. But please do show evidence that the moon was split by Mohammed.
I’m waiting.
I have value too, just like any other human being. And alas, for you, value does have meaning, and no dear, not only Muslims have morals and values. Value doesn’t have to be a “materialisticaly” (whatever that means) defined word, but it is in this world that has no evidence of magic. no gods are needed to have values or morals. It’s religion that declares that worshippers are worthless and that non-believers should be murdered.
Well, Atlas, keep using your computer that shows that your claims are wrong and your god non-existent. But again, surely you can show that your god exists, right? It can do something that it doesn’t need a human to do for it. If it can’t, then surprise, no god. No god healing people, just lies from worshippers trying to pretend that their god is responsible for everything, just like every other worshipper.
Poor Atlas, uses the same arguments as Christians do, but doesn’t realize they fail for him just like they do for Christians.
Heeeeyyy budddyyy you’re back again. You like have a fetish for getting ur arse kicked I see.
((((again, since the qu’ran lies, then there is no reason to believe it. ))))
Darn that evidence you just provided is just …. Wooow, you know what I mean?
We would all be impressed if you were actually able to prove a single wishful thinking you throw out before you moonwalk out everytime.
I’m waiting.
((((But please do show evidence that the moon was split by Mohammed.))))
Lol how can I show you evidence of something that happened 14 centuries ago??? Do you want a videorecording? You don’t accept reports of people seeing it so you like usual you put up a scenario where whatever is provided will just be rejected and followed by a desperate ‘gotya’ moment.
((((I have value too, just like any other human being. And alas, for you, value does have meaning, and no dear, not only Muslims have morals and values. Value doesn’t have to be a “materialisticaly” (whatever that means) defined word, but it is in this world that has no evidence of magic. no gods are needed to have values or morals. It’s religion that declares that worshippers are worthless and that non-believers should be murdered.))))
I never said only Muslims have values. If that was true then I could just kill my neighbour since that would be equal to throwing out the trash.
I said from an atheistic point of view NO ONE has value since its a term that cannot be defined from a mere materialistic perspective.
First you say it doesn’t have to be defined materialisticaly and then you say it is.
Wth are you talking about?
It can NOT be defined from a mere materialistic perspective. If so then in your next verbal diarrhea you post, define value using ONLY non-religious/spritual terms and we’ll see if that has any value.
Aaam no, religion doesn’t say we’re worthless (there you are using value again as an atheist). First you whine about it saying that believers are ‘special’ and now you claim it says we’re worthless.
A ranting selfcontradicting atheist. Poor fella.
((((Well, Atlas, keep using your computer that shows that your claims are wrong and your god non-existent))))
Hahaha the childishness of this statement is mind boggeling. How does it prove my claims are wrong? You have yet to show anything. Like all meatbags you just throw out the ‘o this proves/shows you’re wrong’ without actually showing how it does. Again, we’re all waiting with great excitement.
((((But again, surely you can show that your god exists, right? It can do something that it doesn’t need a human to do for it. If it can’t, then surprise, no god. No god healing people, just lies from worshippers trying to pretend that their god is responsible for everything, just like every other worshipper.))))
Sure I can. I exist and laws of physics exist and that’s not possible except if there is something outside of it that created it all. The fact that we exist is proof of that. And you want something my God can do that no human can? He can create life. Show me a single human being that can do that. And no, having intercourse and the wife becoming pregnant is not ‘creating a life’.
((((Poor Atlas))))
Again the term ‘poor’ is not appropriate in this context since you’re the one that’s getting muzzled.
((((uses the same arguments as Christians do, but doesn’t realize they fail for him just like they do for Christians.))))
They are similar in many ways, sure. But the basis of those arguments are different since we have the Qur’an as our foundation and they have the Bible.
And yet again we’re all waiting for you to show how ‘they all fail for him’ in great excitement!
Peace.
still waiting for evidence that the moon was split (a lie until you can show it true) and your version of Islam is the one true version.
We have plenty of telemetry from the moon. where’s the evidence?
And as for creating life, most, if not all religions make the claim that their god created life. You need to show that your version of your god did. Where’s that evidence? And yep, plenty of possible that the laws of physics don’t need a god. They can be just as “eternal” as your god supposedly is. Nice presuppositions you got there, Atlas.
(((still waiting for evidence that the moon was split (a lie until you can show it true) and your version of Islam is the one true version.
We have plenty of telemetry from the moon. where’s the evidence?)))
It’s a supernatural event. There is no basis for there to be anything on the moon to show that 14 centuries ago it was split. And something not having a dna test or videotape approval being a lie is something you pulled out of your own backside.
((((And as for creating life, most, if not all religions make the claim that their god created life. You need to show that your version of your god did. Where’s that evidence? ))))
What do other religions have to do with what I said? Whether other religions make the claim of a creator or not does not invalidate the God I believe in being a creator. Allah/God being a creator is one of His attributes. You haven’t accepted a creator exists. So why move past this to other attributes of God? Let’s deal with that one first. No need to rush.
And I didn’t make any presuppositions. I made the argument that from a materialistic point of view things such as “value” or “morality” cannot be defined since ‘science’ doesn’t have the nessecery tools for it. You were asked to define “value” on merely materialistic grounds but haven’t done so yet. The reason is because you can’t. I put forth the argument that since ‘science’ is uncapeble of having the tools to define such terms then it folows there exists another source where this comes from. How is this presupposition?
It’s not and you know full well it’s not. So just save it.
still waiting for evidence your version of your god exists. You have yet to show that your god is the only creator or only god.
if the moon was split, we’d see a seam. Where’s the seam, Atlas? We have lunar orbiters that can see the Apollo landers. No seam.
Who cares what you claim, Atlas. I don’t need to accept a creator exists since there is no need for one, and no evidence for one. The Christian version of this god is a creator. So is quite a few other gods per their believers.
What are the other attributes of your version of the Islamic god and show evidence that show them to be true.
No one needs your pathetic god to give morals. It has worst morals than a 5 year old.
I gave you arguments in regard to one attribute: being a creator. You don’t want to deal with this cus you can’t.
Don’t jump over this by naming other religions as if that invalidates my belief in God. Being a creator is a major part so how the hell can we just skip this and go to other attributes???
Let’s deal with that one first since you obviously have an issue with it.
((((if the moon was split, we’d see a seam. Where’s the seam, Atlas? We have lunar orbiters that can see the Apollo landers. No seam.))))
Was the apollo landing a supernatural event? No.
So why compare them. What part of supernatural do you not understand? You conveniently ignore what I said. You can’t ask for non supernatural evidence about a supernatural event. Why is your monkey brain so incompetant?
((((Who cares what you claim, Atlas. I don’t need to accept a creator exists since there is no need for one, and no evidence for one. The Christian version of this god is a creator. So is quite a few other gods per their believers.No one needs your pathetic god to give morals. It has worst morals than a 5 year old.)))
I asked you twice to to define “value” and you haven’t. If you’re so capable, O mighty bag of zapping particles, then give us a definition of “value” or “morality” using only materialistic termenology. The fact is you can’t cus if you could you would have given it by now. So you come back and just deny, throw out empty statements and just repeat yourself and claim a victory like a complete moron.
((((No one needs your pathetic god to give morals. It has worst morals than a 5 year old.))))
Well He did. Get over it. And tell us about these ‘worst morals’ that you whine about. This is rich coming from a meatbag which holds a worldview where you can’t even define morals and yet has the audacity to complain about them.
LOL. Atlas, you are just hilarious.
The supposed splitting of the moon and the Apollo landings are both physical events, so yep, I can ask for physical evidence for both. So all you have is claims that evidently Mo split the moon and then your god magically sealed it back up so there would be no evidence.
That’s just great, Atlas. Funny how all theists make that same claim, that their god for some mysterious reason got rid of the evidence that would support it. That’s a variant of the “last Thursday argument”, which is where the theist tries to claim that their god exists and created the earth some variant of “last Thursday” (e.g. 6000 years ago) but for some reason the earth has all of the evidence of being billions of years old. It’s an attempt to try to explain why there is no evidence for this god and its supposed actions. It’s grand fun to see you fail again, Atlas. Christians use the same ridiculous argument, “but but you can’t ask for non-supernatural evidence for a supernatural event.” Funny how there should be plenty of evidence for the claims of an “exodus”, claims of a major earthquake, the sky darkening and the dead walking around during one single day, the flood, etc since they all affected the physical world. They are missing evidence, just like you.
I know why your particular brain is so incompetent. That comes from attempts at believing something that can’t be true, so you compartmentalize your thoughts, accepting things like lunar landers, but insisting that splitting the moon wouldn’t leave a mark.
Value: : something (such as a principle or quality) intrinsically desirable (merriam webster). Yep, “zapping particles” do create values since human brains can be empathic, sympathetic and concerned with self-preservation. I have no idea what you mean by “materialistic terminology”. I do know what words are since humans use them and understand them. Humans, over millions of years have come to agree on actions and behaviors that are conducive to civilization. To consider these actions and behaviors, humans invented laws to control people so civilization can remain since we find it beneficial to our continued existence. So many theists want to claim that their god alone gave human values, and they just steal those values from each other, values humans invented long before your supposed prophet supposedly rode a magic pony.
I’m seeing that you are terribly ignorant in religion when you try to claim it doesn’t say that humans are worthless. The qu’ran has that unless one believes in your god, then that person is worthless and to be killed since they have dared commit the only sin that this god won’t forgive. The bible claims that humans are filthy wrags unless they worship that god. If humans aren’t worthless, then their beliefs should have nothing to do with their worth. A human is worth something because they are human.
It’s great when all you have “well, he did.” No evidence, just the sullen whine of a child. Whiny gods who have to kill those who disagree with them are moral failures. So are theists who insist that their version of this god and their particular interpretation of what they make believe it said is the only true one and can’t show this to be the case. All they have is a morality based on imaginary might equals imaginary right.
Ouch looks like someone got upset of getting his ass kicked.
Calm down buddy. Let’s continue the asskicking slowly but surely.
(((((LOL. Atlas, you are just hilarious))))
Why thank you. I find humiliating you also amusing. Glad we agree.
((((The supposed splitting of the moon and the Apollo landings are both physical events, so yep, I can ask for physical evidence for both. )))
The stupidity of this is mind boggeling!
The point is NOT whether they are both pshysical dumbass. Being supernatural means it goes beyond physics. It’s NOT bound by physical laws. Hence the term ‘supernatural’.
((((That’s just great, Atlas. Funny how all theists make that same claim, that their god for some mysterious reason got rid of the evidence that would support it. That’s a variant of the “last Thursday argument”, which is where the theist tries to claim that their god exists and created the earth some variant of “last Thursday” (e.g. 6000 years ago) but for some reason the earth has all of the evidence of being billions of years old. It’s an attempt to try to explain why there is no evidence for this god and its supposed actions. It’s grand fun to see you fail again, Atlas. Christians use the same ridiculous argument, “but but you can’t ask for non-supernatural evidence for a supernatural event.” Funny how there should be plenty of evidence for the claims of an “exodus”, claims of a major earthquake, the sky darkening and the dead walking around during one single day, the flood, etc since they all affected the physical world. They are missing evidence, just like you.)))))
Got “rid of the evidence”? It was just put BACK to how it was.
As for the 6000 years it’s irrelevant since it’s not Islamic.
(((Christians use the same ridiculous argument,))))
I don’t care whatever argument they use. You’re not debating them. You’re debating me. Since you can’t refute me you constantly bring up the pathetic “O but the christians ALSO say similar arguments so therefor you’re wrong. So there!” as if that even remotely refutes anything.
Sorry to dissapoint you but you have no evidence that the “Islamic version” of the flood didn’t happen. Nor do you have evidence of there not being an exodus.
((((I know why your particular brain is so incompetent. That comes from attempts at believing something that can’t be true, so you compartmentalize your thoughts, accepting things like lunar landers, but insisting that splitting the moon wouldn’t leave a mark.))))
Again what’s with the self projection.
All you do is whine like “O well there is no evidence this or that happaned so therefor it’s false”.
As for the splitting of the moon, it was put back together by the same God. YOU are the one insisting it HAS to be put back NOT as to how it was so that it leaves a “mark”. This pathetic assumption is something you pulled out of your own ass. This is what you meatbags do. If something doesn’t line up with something you pull out of your own ass then that somehow means you won the debate.
Sorry. No one here cares about your made up rules.
((((Value: : something (such as a principle or quality) intrinsically desirable (merriam webster). ))))
What a beautiful… pile of verbal diarrhea.
“intrinsically desirable” is not a definition! All that says is that humans have the ABILITY of knowing value. That’s it. We already know that genious. That’s not what I asked. I asked WHAT IS VALUE (or MORALITY).
((((Yep, “zapping particles” do create values since human brains can be empathic, sympathetic and concerned with self-preservation.))))
And great use of terms like “emphaty and symphaty” which are once again non-physical terms in order to define what you claim to be a physicaly defineble term (ie. value).
Saying the brain can do this or do that is just moving the goalpost. Brains do what any other object does: it contains particles that “zap”. What makes the zapping of particles in the brain any different in value from the zapping particles of a stone? From a mere physical point of view there is no difference in value between the two. It just IS and that’s all to it.
Brains zapping differently when feeling emphaty does not show the brain is what procuses it LOOL.
((((Humans, over millions of years have come to agree on actions and behaviors that are conducive to civilization.))))
Irrelevant. Agreeing with each other provides nothing about it’s origon and definition.
And btw, humans differ on many things on a MAJOR scale!
((((So many theists want to claim that their god alone gave human values, and they just steal those values from each other, values humans invented long before your supposed prophet supposedly rode a magic pony))))
Ooooooo you hurt my feelings! I wanna do a booboo now…
Okey I’m back!
Since you have failed with your definition BIG TIME (quite pathetic how your attempt was lol!) you are in no position to whine about what theists say. Theists make to logical claim that an outside source gives moral values since physics is incapable of doing so. You can’t refute this so you’ll pretend, like always, you have the upper ground.
(((((I’m seeing that you are terribly ignorant in religion when you try to claim it doesn’t say that humans are worthless. The qu’ran has that unless one believes in your god, then that person is worthless and to be killed since they have dared commit the only sin that this god won’t forgive. ))))
Buddy I know religion better than you ever will. So stop acting clever and get your head out of your ass.
A human is worth something only if he/she is more than just a meatbag and has decent values. That’s not possible without an outside source that made thos e values. Why are you to stupid to understand this basic concept.
When I said that humans aren’t worthless, I meant this literally! We are not sticks or stones since they are lifeless bodies, unlike humans and hence they can’t be punished, unlike humans. This however is EXACTLY what follows from an atheistic “reality”.
That God punishes and detests those who deny His existence is something I nor anyone else here denied. So this is just attacking strawman, as usual.
(((It’s great when all you have “well, he did.”)))
I never said we have “evidence” for it. It’s just faith. Either you accept it or you don’t. YOU came in here and turned it into a “provide evidence or else it’s false’ bullshit and in a hilarious stupid way as well: Why are there no marks??? Lol!!! Blaiming the entity who split the moon back to how it was and somehow this means it’s a myth. If that’s what you wanna believe then by all means be that stupid.
((((Whiny gods who have to kill those who disagree with them are moral failures.))))
It’s okey. Continu to be this arrogant. You’ll be dead soon anyways. That is one thing that’s inevitable which even a lowlife like you doesn’t deny.
And btw, yes God can and has the right to punish you if you don’t follow His rules since He is the one who created you and hence He owns you. An infinite being Has full authority and judgement over its handiwork whether you like it or not.
((((and can’t show this to be the case.))))
Amazing evidence there! I showed you how morality is NOT a scientific term and hence the logical claim of there being an outside source. You can’t deal with this. To bad meatbag. Get over it.
Here is your lord and savior sam harris getting his ass kicked:
What a failure!
No one is “getting their ass kicked” except you, Atlas. It’s always fun to see you have to try to claim something that didn’t happen again.
Poor babe, you still have no evidence for the claims in the qu’ran. Just more baseless claims, and “last thursday” nonsense. Of course now you claim that the moon was put back the way it was just as if nothing happened at all. Oh yes, magic. Just like the flood was supposed to happen, and just like Mo was supposed to ride a magical horsey. You might want to remind your fellow believers who claim otherwise: Dr. Zaghloul el-Naggar http://web.archive.org/web/20071026053311/http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/main.php?id=31 and http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k8_news/march/22moon_crack.htm
As for 6000 years, I know Muslims who claims this age or something similar since the qu’ran claims a day could be a thousand years or 50,000 years. Still not the billions years that are part of reality.
I’m debating you, Atlas, who uses silly arguments that Christians use. You are so terribly unimpressive. Oh, and you found mispelled word. Oh darn, I do love when that becomes that only whine you have. Empathy and sympathy come from our wonderfully chemical brain. No brain, no empathy and sympathy. And wow, if you don’t know the difference between a brain and a stone, you really are very ignorant. Now, Atlas, you’ll likely try to claim that the person is seperate from the brain with some soul nonsense. That fails amazingly well since brain damage changes the person, and if the soul can somehow interact with a physical object, then we should be able to sense it with various meters. Surprise, we can’t.
And it’s no surprise that you now lie that I’ve “failed” with the definition of values. Of course you do, since the real definition shows that you have nothing special.
Poor Atlas, wants to pretend he’s special and that his god and only his god can give values, but an’t even show his god exists. And now, you want to claim that you never said you had evidence. Ah, “well, he did”, is such a wonderfully childish answer, of someone who has nothing to support his claims.
Yep, I’ll be dead soon. And so will you. And alas, you won’t get any magical paradise. And thanks again for showing that your morals are nothing but might equals right: “God can and has the right to punish you if you don’t follow His rules since He is the one who created you and hence He owns you. ”
And poor Atlas, he thinks atheists worship someone. Nope, don’t care about Harris, Dawkins, etc. You’re still lying and ignorant, Atlas.
((((Poor babe))))
Again there is no need to call me poor since the asskicking is towards your side.
(((( you still have no evidence for the claims in the qu’ran. Just more baseless claims, and “last thursday” nonsense. Of course now you claim that the moon was put back the way it was just as if nothing happened at all. Oh yes, magic. Just like the flood was supposed to happen, and just like Mo was supposed to ride a magical horsey.))))
I’m still waiting for your INCREDIBLE evidence to prove it’s wrong. You can’t.
And like a typical idiot you are insisting if God was real then he would have put it back differently just so there could be a mark. Which is just a rule you pulled out of your own ass.
(((( You might want to remind your fellow believers who claim otherwise))))
So what if there are differences of opinions. I’m not responsible for what others say. Your quick little google searches to find someone so you can AS ALWAYS say ‘o this guy here disagrees with you so TADAAAA!!!’ isn’t impressing anyone except idiots like yourself.
((((As for 6000 years, I know Muslims who claims this age or something similar since the qu’ran claims a day could be a thousand years or 50,000 years. Still not the billions years that are part of reality.))))
Lol!!!!!! Buahahahaha!!!
Now I know for a fact you are clueless about Islamic theology. Wahahahahahaaha!
Show where the Qur’an or the Prophet give an age interval of the earth.
((((You are so terribly unimpressive.))))
Ah the feeble mind of the meathbags!
((((Empathy and sympathy come from our wonderfully chemical brain. No brain, no empathy and sympathy.)))
I’m still waiting for the proof that you are so convinced you have about what you just claimed.
At the end of the day you claim that zapping particles create empathy and sympathy. Where is the scientific foundation for that?
((((And wow, if you don’t know the difference between a brain and a stone, you really are very ignorant.))))
Wow you’re in fact so stupid that even the most obvious of things escape you. If you can’t even understand what I said there then you leveled down to a hole new level of stupid.
((((Now, Atlas, you’ll likely try to claim that the person is seperate from the brain with some soul nonsense. That fails amazingly well since brain damage changes the person, and if the soul can somehow interact with a physical object, then we should be able to sense it with various meters. Surprise, we can’t.))))
Being braindead does in no way disprove what I believe and you know it. A brain is just a tool which a person operates through. If its abilities are limited, so will the person be limited. Simple put it’s just a limitation of once abilities.
If you want to say that’s wrong then perhaps FOR ONCE you can provide evidence since you weren’t capable of doing it once so far.
(((((And it’s no surprise that you now lie that I’ve “failed” with the definition of values. Of course you do, since the real definition shows that you have nothing special.))))
And where exactly did I lie? And why is it that meathbags like you always whine about no evidence when you yourself never give any followup evidence to your statements? And then you add to it that yours is the “real definition”. Lol!!!!
Your so called definition was flawed. I gave you the reason why. All you did was say “something intrinsically desirable”. Wth is this??? You call this the real definition?
It was “intrinsically desirable” in the past to have slavery for many people. But now you think they were wrong. It was intrinsically desirable for MOST Germans (there you go crybaby I added the word ‘most’, now happy?) to accept Hitler as a good leader. They were wrong. It is “intrinsically desirable” to think incest is wrong but this is slowly changing just like people thought not to long ago that it was “intrinsically desirable” to reject all forms of homosexuality completly and now it’s mostly accepted.
So to have “intrinsically desirablilty” doesn’t mean something’s valuable.
((((Poor Atlas, wants to pretend he’s special and that his god and only his god can give values, but an’t even show his god exists. And now, you want to claim that you never said you had evidence. Ah, “well, he did”, is such a wonderfully childish answer, of someone who has nothing to support his claims.))))
Lol now that IS a lie. You asked for the most stupid evidence you can think of which is something that happaned 14 centuries ago baes on an assumption you pulled out of your own ass by claiming that if God exists then He would have not put the moon back the way it was but differently just so it leaves a mark.
Nice try, yet no one here falls for it. Sad panda.
As for showing God exists, I already gave you my arguments like morality which you still weren’t able to adress.
All you can say is ‘bruh, the brain bruh. It does zap zap, zip zip and voila moral values bruh’ like a total dumbass.
There is absolutly ZERO basis for morality in science. You have NOTHING. If you did, you would have given the ‘evidence’ by now. The brain zapping in a certain way is just the RESULT of once moral capacity. It being the cause is something you once again pull out of your own ass just so you can deny God.
Whether the brain zapping is “complex” or not is irrelevant since it’s STILL withing the fraimworks of zapping paricles where no morality is produced. Remember what you said about if there is no evidence for something then you can reject it. Apply it to that bullshit and down the toilet it goes.
((((Yep, I’ll be dead soon. And so will you. And alas, you won’t get any magical paradise. ))))
Bam another irrefutable proof!!! How do you do it meatbag??? Those staments with zero proof and yet SO POWERFUL!!!!
Man you’re inspiring.
((((And poor Atlas, he thinks atheists worship someone.)))
Atheists do ‘worship’ someone but not in the conventional terminology obviously. Look how atheists ‘idolize’ these losers? Hence can you really blame me for calling Sam Harris the lord and savior of atheists?
((((You’re still lying and ignorant, Atlas.))))
And once you can prove that, you’ll have the upperhand. To bad you couldn’t.
Sad panda.
Hmmm, all of this supposed “ass kicking” and no one has noticed how impressive you are.
I am not the one making the fantastic claims about Mo’s horsey, Atlas. I don’t have to prove anything about it. No evidence, no magical prophet. No evidence that the moon was split, just one more myth from a religion. I could just as well claim there is a dragon in my garage, and insist that i don’t have to provide evidence either. How silly.
Hmmm, always good to see a Muslim insist he has the truth and then other Muslims say they do. For a group that insists that they have the one true religion, you all have different versions. And wonderfully fun to see you have no idea what the qu’ran says about how long days are. Good for you, Atlas. Your imams say that since the universe/earth was created in six days per the qu’ran, then other parts of the qu’ran tell how long days are to your god.
Surah 7: He who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then established Himself on the Throne.
Surah 22: But God never breaks His promise. A day with your Lord is like a thousand years of your count.
Surah 70: Unto Him the angels and the Spirit ascend on a Day the duration of which is fifty thousand years.
When someone has a brain injury, it is not uncommon that they find it hard to empathize with humans. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-05-people-traumatic-brain-injury-empathy.html https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110628094835.htm https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=brain+injury+empathy&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart I know you will not look at these links since they threaten your willful ignorance. It’s also cute that you, Atlas, have no answers so you must play pretend that I agree with you. Such a failure you are. The brain is not a tool, but you just go ahead and support your dualist nonsense.
Poor Atlas, has to falsely claim that I didn’t define values for him in the right way. It’s great fun to see you upset when you don’t get your way. Please do show how it was “intrinsically desirable” in the past to have slavery. It’s great that you have no idea what intrinsic means. And still no evidence for his god or the moon splitting. Atlas resorts to just more last Thursdayism, that everyone has to believe in his god just because he says so.
Do show how brain activity is the “result” of moral capacity. I’ll wait. And as soon as you can show you get paradise, we can talk. And alas, atlas can’ t show anyone worshipping or “idolizing” famous atheists.
and here is another link to show that your ignorance causes you to make false claims: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.03219.x
And like always with you kafirs, when you bring up crap and get muzzled on it, you just forget about it and jump to other topics.
Hmmm, where have I done that, Atlas? You surely can show it, right?
Kafir, eh? Just like any other theist, you try to claim I am not sufficiently respectful of your god and you use the same term against any Muslim who doesn’t agree with your interpretation. Sorry, I am not respectful of imaginary beings who have humans to lie for them. And it’s always fun to watch Muslims do the same as Christians, since you all have no evidence for your nonsense.
((((Hmmm, where have I done that, Atlas? You surely can show it, right?))))
Aam yea, it’s right there at the top of the page where the quote is. You can’t miss it. Remember what the post was about or have you forgotten?
It was about ex-muslims using the clothes argument.
You claimed the quote implies that most ex-muslims ONLY using the clothe argument wasn’t true (pretended that giving two sites proves millions agree with you). No one here claimed that that’s the ONLY thing they say. I said that right from the beginning. Hell, Br Paul himself didn’t leave Islam for a short period with that argument.
You claimed the post said that ALL ex-muslims say the clothe argument and that that’s the only thing they say which NO ONE here thinks is the case.
You were wrong. Just get over it.
again, Atlas, Paul tried to claim that all ex-muslims use that argument. They don’t. You have no evidence to support your claim. You, and Paul, have made the claim and you have yet to show it true. I’ve already shown you how grammar works. That you want to ignore that doesn’t mean that it isn’t true.
((((again, Atlas, Paul tried to claim that all ex-muslims use that argument. They don’t. You have no evidence to support your claim. ))))
Wth are you talking about???
The quote says no such thing and why do you say I make the claim that all ex-muslims use that argument? I said right from the beginning that that’s not the case. MOST ex-muslims however do use that argument (and again no it’s NOT the ONLY one they use). You say that I yet have to show it’s true. Do you want me to bring you the sayings of millions of ex-muslims to ‘prove’ it’s true?
And then you yourself turn around and make the opposite claim and provide no evidence yourself (and no, linking 2 sites of a few ex-muslims ranting s not proof of millions of people not using that argument). Have you yet not grasped to irony of that?
All you have to do is to go to any ex-muslim and ask them about the women clothing and we’ll see how many use it as an argument and how many don’t.
But you won’t cus you know you’ll be shown wrong again.
((((I’ve already shown you how grammar works. That you want to ignore that doesn’t mean that it isn’t true.)))
You haven’t show jack s**t buddy except your low intelligence. I gave you an example where your attempt fails bigtime.
No one thinks all Germans were nazis when we say that Germans were nazis in WWII. Only in certain context does it mean all. How can Paul make the claim ALL ex-muslims say it when he himself didn’t, you idiot?
What a pathetic failure at a comeback.
still waiting for evidenve. Poor little Atlas, still can’t grasp basic grammar.
It’s hilarious that now, after you said this “We say Germans started were nazis in WWII but we know it’s a percentege of Germans and not all Germans. Stop trying to weasel your way out of a fail attempt to score some cheap points.” Nope, people don’t say that unless they are ignorant. And you want this ignorance to be applied to Paul? Good to know.
((((Nope, people don’t say that unless they are ignorant.))))
People do say that and the little addition at the end there (ignorant) is where you try to save face by downplaying everyone that talks like that. So I guess next time if anyone says “Germans invaded Poland” then we should whine about that person ‘implying’ that it was ALL Germans when everyone knows he wasn’t implying that.
So, Atlas, you mentioned “context”. Do tell me what context there is for Paul’s blanket statment that changes its declaration that all ex-muslims do one thing.
Yep, we should clarify that it wasn’t all germans, it was Nazi Germany. But I guess that might be too hard for you to realize.
((((Do tell me what context there is for Paul’s blanket statment that changes its declaration that all ex-muslims do one thing.))))
Firstly the quote NEVER says it’s just one thing, that’s YOUR addition and you were asked to show where the quote says otherwise and you couldn’t cus it’s made up in your monkey brain. Secondly it says “ex Muslims be like”. Now what idiot thinks that the one who put this there undeniably thinks that EVERY SINLGE ONE of the ex-muslims uses that? Only a complete moron!
And once again!!! —-> Paul himself left Islam shortly NOT using this argument which proves your childish bitching about this undeniably meaning that ALL ex-muslims use the clothe argument wrong.
Let me repeat again (since this is nessecary for your monkeybrain): the context is Ex-Muslims using the clothe argument. If you want to believe that that means EVERY single one that PLEASE do continu to be that stupid.
((((Yep, we should clarify that it wasn’t all germans,))))
No we shouldn’t cus it’s common knowledge that it’s not all germans just like it’s common knowledge that not all ex-muslims use the clothe argument (since this is statistically rediculous cus there are millions of ex-muslims so what is the chance that they all use it—-> 0 and Paul himself is the proof of that). It’s not even possible for it to be all germans since there will always be some percentage that disagrees with the ideologies of their state.
How many people follow up saying Germans invaded Poland with the addition of “O but not all Germans though, just a group of them”? Almost no one. So you continu to deny the obvious but I’m not sruprised since you can’t even recognize there is a Creator.
“Firstly the quote NEVER says it’s just one thing, ”
That’s it is exactly what it says.
But nice to see that that you want to claim that it is “common knowledge” that it wasn’t all germans. Now, is it common knowledge that all ex-muslims don’t say what Paul claimed? You claim that they all say it, but I have shown you otherwise.
You’ve shot your self in the foot again, Atlas.
((((Now, is it common knowledge that all ex-muslims don’t say what Paul claimed? You claim that they all say it, but I have shown you otherwise.))))
You truly are a dumbass.
Firstly show me where I said that ALL ex-muslims make the claim. You idiot, I said a million times that Paul himself didn’t make the argument when he left Islam so how can I make the claim that all ex-Muslims make that claim. I never said that. I said MOST ex-muslims.
And yes it is common knowledge that not all germans were nazis since it’s statistically impossible. You’re the one claiming that Paul makes the claim it’s all the ex-muslims while he himself is proof it’s not the case.
Atlas, pity all you have is calling people names.
the qu’ran is quite the book: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Quran#How_long_is_Allah.27s_day.3F
@ club
Aww…man you know this because you interact with so many ex Muslims?
@ Atlas
Yes (hence my comment) the “it didn’t make sense” is VERY rare and I have only seen it online. Most either:
1. Had a bad experience interacting with a Muslim or Muslims
2. Still believe but have burned out.
But hey club said it so it must be true…
@ club
If you understood Paul was making this thing called a “joke” of what ex Muslims say.
Next, I can promise you NOBODY here is terrified of you. You can barely form a coherent argument let put up any type of reasonable position. Quite frankly you could drop dead tomorrow and I could care less because all my peoples are good. I ONLY engage because I was commanded to tell the Message that you must submit to your Lord and follow what Prophet Muhammad(saw) was sent with.
@ Atlas
I bet club is just the life of the party. He has been beating this obvious joke to death for like what 3 days now?
Never underestimate the ego of meatbags.
@ Atlas
Indeed. I gotta give it to you though Atlas you’re a lot more patient than me no way I could sit there and talk about someone’s feelings for 5 days.
And now he jumps to yet another topic.
Very typical.
It began with the ‘quote’ of whiny ex-Muslims and now this idiot is posting wikiislam links.
And of course he’ll believe whatever is anti-Islamic and ignore and downplay what the other side says. And now he also whines about me calling him names while he’s been snide all the way from the very beginning when I was polite. The way these kafirs play victim is mindblowing.
Well he can continu is clownfiesta which no one here takes seriously anyway.
I mean how can this clown be taken seriously when he calls “something intrinsically desirable” the real definition of “value”?
I’m starting to think this is just another troll, as many meatbags are
Irony of ironies…accuse others of making strawman arguments…and then make on yourself!
where?
Your guys circle jerk of stupidity is hilarious to read. What else, oh people who can’t defend their stances with neither logic nor sources, what else are we?
To quote stewjo the moronic minion: Islam hates philosophy!?
I’m still waiting for proof of monotheistic prophets since the last 300,000 years, or the iron wall built by Dhul Qarnain you are forced to deny he is the mythical Alexander presented as historical fact need I go on? People just don’t buy that literal bullshit it anymore.
@ Agnostic
Man your memory must be terrible
1. Monotheism and Monotheist
You have been given a list and gave no response.
2. Dhul Qarnain
You were refuted on this point as well (something as basic as some Early Muslims said he was black while others said he was an Arab due to his name last I checjed Alexander is none of these) You then gave no response.
How do you think these conversations go in your mind lol?
3. Apostates
How are you going to argue with a Muslim about Islamic culture lol? Lets be honest, pretty much everybody on the blog is the most you have ever interacted with a Muslim. You are going to attempt to argue something theoretical with a person who lives it. Very interesting…
As for the man you quoted I know this is difficult but read my post again dumb@$$ I said:
“it didn’t make sense” is VERY rare and I have only seen it online”
That means in almost a decade of interacting with Muslims and the handful of apostates the 2 above reasons I mentioned are the only reason. So who’s probably right, the guy:
Watching a video
Or
The guy living it
I wonder, I wonder…
A list of what?? Name me the amount from the 124,000 prophets sent to the Americas, Australia, Asia, you have zilch. I was refuted? You have to claim Dhul Qarnain is not the mythical Alexander in spite of the historical evidence. It must be someone else, just because of your literalist faith would crumble. You must be the worst wannabe missionary ever apart from this Pavlov character.
@ Agnostic
Idk it was like 3 months back? You asked for a list and I fired off monotheist or monotheism from Africa, China, Greece, the Middle East, and India. You then changed the goal post as usual. Your poor memory is not everyone else’s concern.
Also further elaborating what “historical evidence” when you have early Muslims saying he was black, early scholarship saying he was an Arab and Middle Age scholars refuting the notion of it being Alexander the Great? You posted a lecture of ONE person’s opinion and declared victory. Why do you and Ken have this problem of premature celebration?
We know that Dhul Qarnain resembles the mythical Aleander, because today we have all the historical science evidence. We know today that monotheism is a late development in human history and there were no monotheist prophets to every nation. Despite what you believe.
@ Agnistic
1. Except its not as I demonstrated with my list as it spanded cultures and timezones. Also human history develops so concepts get lost due to variety of things. Without going too far in depth a good example of this China who were monotheist, who then added ancestor worship, who then “mandate of heaven” (aka divine right to rule), who then added Confucius philosophy, who then adopted communism and (most importantly) tried to due a cultural cleansing and burn their old heritage. Had this occurred we would yave never known the above ancient history and we would have fools saying this athiest nation never had monotheism when they did. Greece also has a similar story.
2. You still haven’t refuted early Muslims thinking he was African or Arab and Alexander was a LATER development that was refuted. Your entire “historical evidence” is some later commentators thought he was Alexander you then had orientalist attempt to argue “well these commentators thought it was Alexander so it must be!”
3. What does this have to do with you? Honestly I don’t understand what your purpose is. If you make the decision to reject God then do it and live why waste your time if you believe your death is the end? Seriously, Agnostic pray sincerely for guidance and it will be given to you.
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
They leave because they don’t believe it’s true, Einstein
Muslims have Al Ghazali, Muhammad Iqbal, etc. Ex-Muslims have internet trolls like Agnostic and Abdullah Sameer. Yeah, I can see who’s on the side of rationality.
I was told by one of the retard minions here Al Ghazali is not that a great scholar. So much for credibility.
Actually, many leave because it’s more convenient to do so. If they were interested it see it was true, they would do more research before deciding to leave. Most don’t do that.
@ QB
In my humble opinion (based on actual interaction) not what these retards say, the situation in our time is pretty much the 2 above points.
Agnostic: I was told by one of the retard minions here Al Ghazali is not that a great scholar. So much for credibility
Yeah, I mean who would rely on Al Ghazali when some random idiot on the internet named Agnostic has it all figured out.
@ KMAK
Oh ignore him, he simply doesn’t understand the difference between:
“Al Ghazali was not one of the most influential scholars of all time on Islam and non-Muslims really hype his influence up”
And:
“Al Ghazali is not that a great scholar.”
Just appreciate us getting to see another example of the irony in him calling someone a “retard”.
The Meccan pagans were at least willing to fight and die for their traditions. Ex-Muslims can’t even come out of the closet to their parents. How pathetic!
You do realise that this happens in a LOT of religions. It’s not just a thing with Muslim people.
You have Muslima who shows cleavage and wears short skirts. And I personally never hear Muslim leave Islam because of that. That not the reason for the vast majority.
@ Carl Sagan
I have. Its usually thrown out there in the beginning of the conversation as a smokescreen for the real problem but as you dig deeper its usually the above two points I mentioned:
1. Had a bad experience interacting with a Muslim or Muslims
2. Still, believe but have burned out.
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are others but to the average person living their life, these ones are the most common in my experience.
You believer in God, stop taling nonsense!!!!
clubschadenfreude the Wise said otherwise and that should be that! We are hence proven wrong by his opnion. May we live long to learn from this bag of chemicals!
All HAIL clubschadenfreude the Wise!
@ Atlas
Oh, I was done with that conversation after he just makes unsourced claims like Agnostic. Idk if English is his first language or not but sarcasm is pretty much a straight “whoosh” with him.
@ Atlas
I think he’s simply to use to talking to Christians and thinks we hate science or something. We are literally one of the fathers of surgery:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/al-zahrawi-legacy-father-modern-surgery-004693
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/bf58/9f5735ab090256eeb19bdb80df6b462157b9.pdf
Not to mention one couldn’t even be an alim classically without studying mathematics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE2ufcIhhlk
I think it’s hilarious these “secular” kuffar take other nations accomplishments and try to say it was because of “Secularism” (i.e. we didn’t know how to integrate religion into our society so in order to survive we put it on the back burner) The fact that he thinks MODERN politics and Islam are related and ignores are dominance, since we appeared on the scene, shows how ignorant he is.
PS When they ask for proof have them define what proof is first. Because their argument is weak they jump around when refuted.
@ Atlas
Explain to this kaffir miracles are ONLY FOR the people of time to support a prophet. They are not meant for everyone. Again establish with him what does he want and define as proof?
He wants, no demands a footprint together with “scientific evidence” (whatever the hell that even means to this meatbag) of a moon being split. Why the hell should there be marks of the moon being split? He presumes that it must be put together differently, just so we can see a “mark” today.
I mean even if that was the case he still wouldn’t believe in it. He would just call it ‘Oooh look theists are making claims without evidence’. He would call the very thing he says is evidence for a moon being split NOT evidence if the mark was there.
Do these meatbags believe the pharaoh being preserved is a mark for the supernatural? Nop. they just claim it’s mumification that does the trick even if mumification is not capable of keeping a corpse in that good condition after thousands of years.
So this is nothing new. Whatever you give them, they’ll just weasel their way out of it.
“Poor babe, you still have no evidence for the claims in the qu’ran. Just more baseless claims”
Lol, this is coming from the person whose entire posts are baseless claims. You tried quoting a source for a claim once this entire time on the blog got refuted, then committed a fallacy and acted like you didn’t see it so now everyone here has been stuck having to hear about your personal feelings and how uncomfortable your tampon is for the last couple of days.
@ Atlas
Oh God, he literally does the laziest tactic ever of copying and pasting.
So question club, if I refute these alleged contradictions (like I did when you alleged the Quran promotes violence) what’s going to happen? Will you become a Muslim?
Let’s see what happens. If he accepts he’s just gonna jump like a rabbit from one topic to another while having no response to your refutations but ‘O but this person here says otherwise’ and some other usual cheap tactics. You’ll see.
I hope I’ll be proven wrong but who am I kidding.
“Yep, “zapping particles” do create values since human brains can be empathic, sympathetic and concerned with self-preservation.”
but its all imaginary from firing atoms .