The Hijab and Islam’s Shieldmaidens:
The hijab signifies the higher statement of gendered humanity. The woman in hijab has, for quite some time now, found herself on the frontline in a war against the monoculture.
As traditional modesty is made to buckle under the pressures of modernity, the woman in hijab stands out either as a witness to revealed difference, or to her own charms. She stands out either as a witness to her life lived for God, or to identity politics and egotistical fashion statements.
The hijab is not just a symbol of freedom from the male gaze or concern, but also of freedom from being a sheepish slave to materialism and the death of meaning. And while she strives to guard and nurture her sense of modesty from modernity’s many intrusions of immodesty, the woman in hijab remains the great global sign of dissent. In this battle she must be helped, supported and thanked.
For a woman in hijab is a shieldmaiden of Islam.
Below, pictures of English women in 1917, from Manchester and Burnley.
Categories: Hijab, Islam, Life in the West
How is the hijab a way to discard male gazes? A modest man does not stare whether the woman is covered or not. This is evident when we hear about a hijabi who got raped by a man. I agree that a veil can be a symbol of modesty. However, I don’t think that it helps to discard men’s stares. Also, why should a woman care this much about gazes? Why do you think that hijab is signifies that a woman is not materialistic when the veil itself is materialistic?
After the Muhammad lust after his adopted son and had sex with her. It makes sense to be cover in Islam. That from their holiest prophet.
Adopted son wife*
I suggesr you read more about this topic before saying what makes sense or not
Answer the question did Muhammad took with the wife of his adopted son?
Former wife*
I would love to but I can’t understand your english. What do you mean did the Prophet “took”? It’s “take” and I didn’t understand the sentence
“Love is not a more pleasing word for lust. That absolute nonsense.”
Agree to disagree then i suppose.
“Your brother Atlas said their no such thing as adoption in Islam. He did not say a form of adoption is acceptable and another is not acceptable. My argument was based on what he said, not on someone else said later. So one of you is ignorant. Which one?”
Brother Atlas further clarified his views by saying “Islam encourages treating orphans fairly and lovingly more than any other faith.” Moreover brother Stew also further clarified Atlas views and you didn’t seem to rebuke or respond to his points so i followed suit. So no, neither one of us is ignorant. We were simply referring to the the word adoption in different contexts. Atlas used the word in the haram context and i used the word in the halal context.
“Yashir admits that Muhammad was caught by his wives having sex with his slave. They were upset because they found him having sex with another woman. He gives the word he won’t do it again. And later he gets “revelation” it’s ok. Do you agree with Yasir. That the scholar you choose. You can easily find the video on youtube.”
I don’t have a problem with Yasir Qadhi’s views on the topic, nor do i have an issue with the hadith tradition mentioned. As for the revelation, 1 the verse’s in question tells him to expiate the oath through extra deeds. if the verse were truly being convenient it would have excused the prophet all together. 2 if the implication that the Quran revelation was convenient and therefore false, then what about when it’s not convenient? Or when the Prophet is criticized,?Does that make it true?
“And finally, I could not care less that you don’t like my tone. If you don’t like my tone don’t get involved in the conversation.”
Fair enough. And what if every other reader/commenter on this blog chooses to do the same? When you act too much like a troll everyone ignores your points. How would you react to the silence? Would you take it as a sign that you won the argument? If the answer is yes then i think you can see my issue with the latter half of your statement there.
No problem. By asking for clarification it will get more embarrassing. Your dear prophet lust after a married woman. This holy man marries her. And god’s gift to humanity had sex with her. Think about it, this man having sex with his adopted son former wife. Now convince me that not disgusting. I guess I won’t get an answer. It’s ok I would be ashamed of the prophet also if I was you.
It’s always amusing to see people who uphold Ezekiel 23 as God’s words criticize the marital life of the Prophet(saw). The marriage between him and Zainab represented the replacement of an unhappy union with a more compatible union. Since all parties benefitted from this arrangement, what is the objection?
There is no such thing as adoption in Islam. YOU might believe in it but we don’t. Zaid already wasn’t happy with his marriage and wanted to divorce. The prophet told him to keep her as his wife but this didn’t last and they ended up divorcing. Then the prophet married Zaynab.
Is this the ’embarrassing’ story you wanted to tell?
Do you actually think this is the first time we are hearing this? This the same old boring ‘attack’ and it doesn’t even make a dent.
Try again.
Interesting you assume I believe in fairytale. Ezekiel 23 is referring to people like your prophet anyway. That was a poor attempt to divert. I completely agree with you. Muhammad and that woman were probably happy. Only two horrible people will be happy to fulfil their sexual desire in that way. I hope your wife is not like her. But most normal human being won’t be happy having sex with their adopted son former wife. If you don’t have any objection to that kind of nonsense, you have issues.
You only made it worse for your prophet. Their no adoption because Muhammad realised he made a fool out of himself. So he abolishes a great system. Many children don’t have parents because of this man. Many parents don’t children because of this man. Islam abolishes a great system. Many people suffer from this system for centuries because a man wanted to fulfil his sexual desires. A man sexual desires in the 7th century still affecting many lives.
Many children don’t have parents because of Muhammad(saw)?
Random idiot on the internet has it all figured out!
((((You only made it worse for your prophet. Their no adoption because Muhammad realised he made a fool out of himself. So he abolishes a great system. Many children don’t have parents because of this man. Many parents don’t children because of this man. Islam abolishes a great system. Many people suffer from this system for centuries because a man wanted to fulfil his sexual desires. A man sexual desires in the 7th century still affecting many lives.))))
I only made it worse you say? Well let’s look at your so called rebuttal.
O that’s great mind reading you have there. You can know what the prophet was thinking 14 centuries ago. Very impressive.
Reality: NOWHERE does it say that the prophet ‘realised he made a fool out of himself’. That’s your own worthless opinion. Then you just make a statement about him abolishing a ‘great system’. There is nothing great about something that’s false and fiction. Being a son is a BIOLOGICAL factor. Hence someone can’t magically become your son just because you say so. I know this basic fact is hard to comprehend for your monkey brain but do try to.
No, many children don’t have FAKE parents because of this man. Islam encourages treating orphans fairly and lovingly more than any other faith. But it does not compremise by adopting pagan ideas like adoptation like xtianity does.
And again you make up lies about him wanting to fulfill sexual desires and that being the main reason for marrying Zaynab which is false and bold faced lie. You must be a xtian since many of you are obsessed with lying.
What a failure. All you gave were statements and zero arguments. I don’t give a damn whether YOU think the adoption myth is real and neither does the truth.
Try again you nasty troll so that I can bury you again. Come on, make my day loser.
@ Carl Sagan
First off why you so obssessed with another man’s sex life?
Next adoption didn’t get “abolished” God corrected your Roman perception of it. Let’s read from the Jews as they are similar to us:
“Adoption that is practiced in modern secular society derives from Roman Law. The secular procedure for adoption involves the removal of all rights and responsibilities from the biological parents, which are then transferred onto the adoptive parent/s. Judaism contrasts to Roman Law, in that the adoptive parents do not entirely replace the role of the biological parents.[4] Jewish Law aligns closer with British Common Law, within which, the importance of royal bloodlines and class meant that an adoption procedure was never introduced.[3] Similarly, in Judaism, genealogy determines the status of the child, which cannot be removed by a legal procedure.[3]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_in_Judaism#cite_ref-:0_4-1
according to Jewish law the child is hereditarily tied to his (or her) biological parents. If the child’s biological father is a Cohen or Levi by Jewish tradition, and the child is a boy, so too must he accept these priestly customs. Although discouraged, the adoptee child may even marry a person from the adopting family. Since the child is not from the adopting family’s hereditary blood this marriage would not be considered incest.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/adoption-in-judaism
Thank you for both of you for confirming that Islam stops children from having a family. You have children who want a family. You have an adult who wants to have a family. But they can’t because Muhammad could not control his lust for his adopted son wife. A great system abolishes because one man wants to have sex with his son adopted wife. It was a rookie mistake to mention adoption.
You’re not fooling anyone except yourself. https://youtu.be/B_BlrpCqUAA This is the kind of happiness that Islam stops. Convince yourself that this is wrong. Because you won’t fool anyone else. Sometimes I think it’s not possible to be so terrible. But I can see a shadow of Muhammad in his followers.
@ Carl Sagan
You… didn’t… refute anything? They can still be adopted their just not of that person’s lineage. I’m sorry Roman law doea not stop genetics.
Also as a note because you don’t know what you’re talking about the rule existed BEFORE his marriage Zainab(ra) simply read Surah Nisa there is nothing about adopted childrens ex spouse’s.
Nothing to refute when you can’t even make a good point.
Let see what your scholars, prophet and Allah have to say. Part 1
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The reason for revelation of these verses was that Allaah wanted to a prescribe a law for all believers, that adopted sons did not come under the same rulings as real sons, in any way, and that there was nothing wrong with those who had adopted them marrying their wives (after divorce).
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/96464/detailed-discussion-about-the-verse-but-you-did-hide-in-yourself-ie-what-allaah-has-already-made-known-to-you-that-he-will-give-her-to-you-in-marriage-that-which-allaah-will-make-manifest-al-ahzaab-3337
That why this great system is abolish because Muhammad lust after a married woman.
Guess what its going to get worst for you and your prophet.
@ Carl Sagan
I know your English is horrendous so it’s hard for you to read or articulate a point. What Sheikh Munnajid is referring to is God teaching that culture does not override His law:
33:37. When you said to the man who was favored by God as well as you: “Hold on tight to your wife and stay god fearing,” you hid in yourself, what God would later reveal, because you were afraid of the people, but it’s more fitting that you fear God. When Zaid no longer wanted to be with her, I gave her to you in marriage so that it would not be difficult for the believers to marry their adopted sons ex-wives who they were no longer intimate with. God’s commands must be carried out.
33:38. The Prophet is not at fault for what God has decreed on him. This was God’s way with those who came before and God’s command will be fulfilled.
33:39. God’s reckoning is enough for those who convey God’s messages and fear only Him.
33:40. Muhammad is not the father of any man among you; he is the Messenger of God and the Seal of Prophets; and God knows everything.
Let’s read the verse I was talking about:
4:23. You are forbidden to take your
mothers,
daughters,
sisters,
blood aunts on both your mother and father’s side,
nieces,
women who have breastfed you and the women they’ve breastfed,
your mothers in law,
the stepdaughters under your care whose mothers you’ve been intimate with,
daughter in laws from sons from your own loins
and two sisters at the same time,
as wives with the exception of what’s already past (because) God is truly the Most Forgiving and Forever Merciful.
4:23 was revealed before his marriage with Zaynab(ra). Again an adopted child does not magically become the same lineage as the person who takes care of them.
Finally, the only person who its “getting worse” for is you as the angels write down what you type as you give your fingers more to testify against you with on the Day of Judgement.
So let’s keep this simple Carl as this is just a bad attempt at trolling what are your religious (or lack thereof) beliefs?
Looool this troll.
Starts with baseless statement: Muhammad abolished great steam. Great system abolished by Muhammad. Children no have parents. Parents no have adopted children because Muhammad stop great system. Great system abolishee by Muhammad.
You refute him by saying basic facts like adoption does not make someone magically your son.
Answer from the troll: Ty Muhammad abolished great steam. Great system abolished by Muhammad.
And then repeat it 10 times.
XDDDDDD.
Hahahahahahaha!!!
What a failure this troll is.
Who cause the divorce? Let see what the scholars have to say: ”
..When Allaah wills something, He creates a cause for it…”
As a result, Allah is the cause of the divorce and made Muhammad lust after a married woman. So that Allah can abolish adoption. To create pain and suffering for children for a generation.
Allah and Muhammad at their very best!
Let see if Muhammad lust after a married woman. Allah forbids a holy man like Muhammad will go so low.
To lust after another man wife is bad. But for your own adopted son is even worst.
“When he came to you to consult you about leaving her, you told him, advising him despite what you felt in your heart towards her:…”
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/96464/detailed-discussion-about-the-verse-but-you-did-hide-in-yourself-ie-what-allaah-has-already-made-known-to-you-that-he-will-give-her-to-you-in-marriage-that-which-allaah-will-make-manifest-al-ahzaab-3337
That was lust for a married woman in his heart.
Don’t worry about trolling. We will get to the point Muhammad abolish adoption so that he won’t get troll after making a fool out of himself. You will die of laughter.
https://youtu.be/aPOeS7OUS_o?t=155
@ Carl
You might want to read some more as the same source says you are incorrect AND that he is the one who married them originally:
“As for the story of Zayd’s marriage to Zaynab, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the one who arranged that for him, because he was his freed slave and adopted son, so he approached her on behalf of Zayd, but she refused and said: I am of a better lineage than him. It was narrated that Allaah revealed the words “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error” [al-Ahzaab 33:36] concerning that. So she responded in obedience to Allaah and so as to fulfil the wishes of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). She lived with Zayd for nearly a year, then there arose between them the kind of problems that may arise between a husband and wife, and Zayd complained about her to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because of their position in relation to him, as he was his freed slave and adopted son…”
“It was narrated from ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had RECEIVED REVELATION from Allaah telling him that Zayd was going to divorce Zaynab and that he should marry her on the basis that Allaah was giving her to him in marriage. When Zayd complained to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about Zaynab’s attitude, and said that she did not obey him, and told him that he wanted to divorce her, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him, by way of good manners and advice: “Fear Allaah in what you say and keep your wife”, but he knew that Zayd was going to divorce her and that he was going to marry her, and this is what he was concealing. He did not intend to tell him to divorce her, because he knew that he was going to marry her, The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was afraid of what the people would say about him if he were to marry Zaynab after Zayd, who was his freed slave, if he told him to divorce her. But Allaah rebuked him for that fear of what the people would say about something that Allaah had permitted to him and for telling him to keep her even though he knew that he was going to divorce her, and He told him that Allaah was more deserving of being feared, i.e., in all things…”
“…As for the report which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) liked Zaynab the wife of Zayd, and some immoral people even use the word “fell in love”, this comes from one who is ignorant of the infallibility of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who was protected against such things, or from one who has no respect for him.”
“2 – Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The correct view – in sha Allaah – concerning this issue is that which we have said the Qur’aan points to, which is that Allaah told His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that Zayd was going to divorce Zaynab, and that He would give her to him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in marriage, and at that time she was still married to Zayd. When Zayd complained to him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) he said to him: “Keep your wife and fear Allaah.” Allaah rebuked him for saying “Keep your wife” after he knew that she was to become his own wife, for fear that if he disclosed what he knew about her becoming his wife, the people would say that he wanted to marry his son’s wife at the time when she was still married to Zayd.”
“The first is what we have mentioned above, that Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, said: “But you did hide in yourself that which Allaah will make manifest”. This is what Allaah had disclosed to him, which is that He was giving her to him in marriage, when He said: “So when Zayd had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage”. Allaah DID NOT DISCLOSE ANYTHING OF THAT WHICH THEY CLAIM, NAMELY THAT HE LOVED HER. If that had been what was meant, then Allaah would have disclosed it as you see.
…The phrase “so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers” clearly explains the reason behind this marriage, as we have said. The fact that Allaah is the One Who gave her to him in marriage for this important purpose clearly shows that the reason why he married her was not because he loved her and that is why Zayd divorced her – as they claim.”
“As for the reports which say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw Zaynab from behind a screen and that he was attracted to her and fell in love with her, and Zayd found out about that and began to dislike her, and he wanted to give precedence to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning her, so he divorced her so that he could marry her after him, none of that has been proven by means of any sound isnaad.”
This must be very embarrassing for you.
@ Atlas
Alrighty, I’m becoming bored with this conversation but you can keep going with him if you like.
@ Carl Sagan
Oh yeah, become a Muslim or expect punishment on the Day of Judgement when everyone will stand before God, please watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1E-o-NujIY
And peace be on those who follow the guidance.
since brother stew seems to have addressed the claim of “falling in love in detail” so if i could piggy back on some the reply’s here, i’d like to add some information to further address the second claim. about the “suffering of children without adoption.” please see these links:
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/omar-suleiman/reviving-a-lost-sunnah-adoption-and-foster-care-in-islam/?utm_content=95053775&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-1363195707041177&fbclid=IwAR3b5KWHd5xip7eG2i4qpULwZyE_lcPJ1soCQhs3LWBdnkfRirZkzTFMKqk#.XWwIxShKhPb
https://www.facebook.com/yasir.qadhi/posts/10154883691418300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zknpHMYmZNo
so no children are not left suffering in islam and in fact are better off. as islam handles adoption the way it should be handled.
The American Academy of Pediatrics advises that “Adoption should not be a secret. Every youngster needs to have an honest understanding of his origin. Adopted children who have not been told seem to sense that somehow they are different; this nagging intuition can influence their self-image. The longer you wait, the harder it will be to discuss it with your child. Also, he is liable to find out from someone else—perhaps by overhearing the conversations of relatives, or from teasing by neighborhood children who have learned from their own parents that he is adopted” (www.healthychildren.org).
@ Vaqas Rehman
Whaaaaat? We should tell children where they are from and who their parents are? Who’da thunk?
Excellent response Vaqas idk how this is difficult to comprehend:
Adoption= Excellent deed and receives a great reward
Lying and saying someone is your parent who isn’t= Forbidden
This in no way, shape or form means it’s forbidden to adopt, notice everybody still called Zaid(ra) “Muhammad’s(saw) adopted son” they stopped calling him “Zaid the son of Muhammad(saw)”. So the entire argument that Muhammad(saw) “abolished adoption” is simply untrue.
Yes, very embarrassing thank you for confirming that Muhammad was ashamed of what he will do. That what happen when you just copy paste and think you have a point. He is a shame of the revelation of Allah. Yours supposed to refute me, not help me.
You quote it yourself. Muhammad was an embarrassment.
“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was afraid of what the people would say about him if he were to marry Zaynab after Zayd”
Anything else you want to quote to help me show your prophet was embarrass?
That why he abolish adoption. Sadly, that won’t help you Muhammad. People never stopped speaking of your shameful marriage to your adopted son former wife.
You’re trying to help them. I never claim Muhammad was in love. You end up proving his argument was a strawman.
Secondly, I shared at least two videos. Of the children fully aware they are getting adopted. So that another strawman.
Since you shared a video of Yasir Qhadi. Please watch this one and tell me if you agree with him.
https://youtu.be/DpQu6eCqObA
Finally to Stew. Thank you for your invite to Islam. I believe you’re sincere. You truly believe Muhammad was a prophet of God. But I will have to decline the offer because I think you’re completely wrong about this man.
@Carl Sagan
“You’re trying to help them. I never claim Muhammad was in love. You end up proving his argument was a strawman.”
you claimed multiple times in multiple comments that Muhammad(s.a.w) lusted after her. my saying fell in love was an attempt to use more pleasing words and easier for me to type. It was not an attempt at misquoting you. I apologize for the confusion.
“Secondly, I shared at least two videos. Of the children fully aware they are getting adopted. So that another strawman.”
I think you have misunderstood the point i was making. you repeatedly said that since islam abolished adoption children would be suffering without parents to care for them. it was also in this context that you shared the videos such as here-” This is the kind of happiness that Islam stops.” The point I was making and the links i shared was to prove that Islam allows and forbids different FORMS of adoption. you can raise a child as long as both that child and the rest of the world know that they are adopted. So no suffering children in the islamic paradigm. As a side note both videos were very sweet and touching, as well as in line with isalmic principles.
“Since you shared a video of Yasir Qhadi. Please watch this one and tell me if you agree with him.”
Agree with him on what specifically?
“Finally to Stew. Thank you for your invite to Islam. I believe you’re sincere. You truly believe Muhammad was a prophet of God. But I will have to decline the offer because I think you’re completely wrong about this man.”
while this was not addressed to me I commend your tone here. please note that if you want to have a discussion or even criticize Islam then doing so in kinder manner such as this will be more effective.
Love is not a more pleasing word for lust. That absolute nonsense.
Your brother Atlas said their no such thing as adoption in Islam. He did not say a form of adoption is acceptable and another is not acceptable. My argument was based on what he said, not on someone else said later. So one of you is ignorant. Which one?
Yashir admits that Muhammad was caught by his wives having sex with his slave. They were upset because they found him having sex with another woman. He gives the word he won’t do it again. And later he gets “revelation” it’s ok. Do you agree with Yasir. That the scholar you choose. You can easily find the video on youtube.
And finally, I could not care less that you don’t like my tone. If you don’t like my tone don’t get involved in the conversation.
@ Carl Sagan
You believe I’m wrong because you listen to bias propaganda. But let’s put Muhammad (saw) to the side for a moment. Let’s talk about God. Do you believe in God, Carl?
Sorry i seem to put my comment in the wrong reply chain. please see my response above. i apologize for my mistake and the inconvenience.
A woman’s modesty has to appear through her words and behavior.
@ Wonderjunkie
“A woman’s modesty has to appear through her words and behavior.”
Yes by not dressing like a hoe that is her behavior.
Who are you to judge her based on her clothing?
@ Wonderjunkie
Modesty paves the way for purity and hence is an important way of life. It brings forth humility which is highly valued in Islam. Now I can’t make you want to accept this or anything else Islam teaches but when we start making excuses and become nonchalant, it’s exactly THAT characteristic which leads to the downfall of societies.
As for your question who is stew to judge… well we all have our opinions don’t we? If a woman would walk down the street with nothing on but her underwear, EVERYONE would call her nasty names. We just wouldn’t think it’s appropriate. As Muslims we don’t think she has to be THAT naked to be considered being in a state of inappropriate. We start to call it inappropriate when women wear tight clothes that outline every little shape of their body. This has become a society which has pushed the modesty bar so far down that you don’t even get affected by things like that. Women are wearing more and more immodest clothing which makes the newer generations even more appathetic. And it will continue like that and we’ll come to a poiny where wearing just a bra will be considered ‘freedom, progressive, liberty, strong femininity, etc’. This kind of pattern is visible everywhere. Just look at homosexuality. Look how that got pushed into this society. First it was dissapproved, then humor was associated with it, then celebs started to come out as gay, movies were made where they portrayed more positively and now we are at the point were homosexuality is welcomed and accepted. This ‘frog in a hot pan of water’ pattern is what leads society astrey.
You are a woman and it’s very understandable that you want to be well dressed and for it to be liked by others. Of course men want to dress nicely too but I think it’s fair to say women enjoy it more. But is it more important to please your Lord or please yourself?
Now I’m not sure what your belief is but perhaps you could share some of it with us.
Are you religious or atheist? Spritualist or materialist?
@ Wonder Junkie
Several caveats in the discussion especially if you’re Muslim or non Muslim (as you haven’t stated your religious beliefs)
1.”Judging”
Depends on what you mean here. If “judging” means I think I’m better than them or more holy then no that’s not what I’m doing. If you’re Muslim, God says its wrong discussion is pretty much over (and this would relate to anything). He says He sent the Scripture down so that we can judge between people correctly. You can’t call it “judging” as God has made His decision known. At the end of the day the matter is not Hijabi is better than non Hijabi its a non Hijabi woman is a better version of herself when she is a hijabi as no matter what she does she will always have one more good deed on her side.
If you’re non Muslim humans profile ALL the time based on their environment. That’s how humans survived “animal looks dangerous should leave it alone” If I walk into my house and see 3 men idk wearing black I can reasonably assume “robber shoot them”. I’m making calls based on past experiences and what I see.
With that being said obviously its not correct to say:
Hijab= pious virgin
Non Hijab = slut
There are many factors BUT the limbs reflect what’s in the heart and as of now there is a display of “hoe tendencies” I’ll let Todd explain as he sums this up best:
https://youtu.be/qhZ8TGBJSW0
2. Hijabs and Modesty
As a final note those hijabis who had something horrible happened to them 9 out 10 they were doing something they had no business doing. Again it’s the criminals fault entirely but you don’t put yourself in danger nd get mad at the results. I have personally seen non Muslim men in “rough areas” advert gaze and become shy talking to a Muslim woman. Why? Because subconsciously they know this is a dignified person their speaking with who should be respected. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard new convert women talking about how it’s weird how men were treating them with respect and becoming shy. Not really theoretical here.
I respect your opinion. I don’t think that “purity” is a way of life. Everyone is pure and innocent. Good and bad are subjective; the notion of good and bad is like yin and yang, they exist together.
Yes humility is valued in Islam
The absence of humility is an important factor but it is not, for sure, the only one. For example, most Japanese people have good morals but a very small number( or maybe none) of women are hijabis. I’m not defending the idea that people (because modesty is expected from men and women equally) should not cover their bodies because:
1. It’s not my business because it does not bother me.
2. It does not bother me
I think that you are doing a fallacy. This situation is not an either or. It’s not about wearing very tight clothes or very “covering ones”. All I’m saying is that modesty is about manners. Also, clothing depends on external factors: place and situation. For example, wearing a swimsuit to the beach should not be a problem. Why? Because this is the most comfortable thing to wear (ideologically). If I want to speak in a “realistic” way, clothing depends on social norms. Wearing a mini skirt is frowned upon in most if not all Arab countries; whereas, wearing it in a society where everyone has the freedom to be the person they want to be is not a problem at all. Unfortunately, women’s clothing is still tied to being modest or sluttish. I wear hijab but I find no difference in my lifestyle when I take it off. I don’t behave like an angel when I wear it and then turn to a devilish whore when I take it off. The veil and any other “modest” attire is just a piece of fabric.
Homosexuality is a different topic. Note that homosexuality was present in Muslim societies but it wasn’t discussed that much. Honestly, I don’t have a clear opinion about it, but I disagree with your belief that it is a “trend”. I think that people are starting to speak up about it because it,too, is frowned upon and needs courageousness to be spoken of.
I’m a free spirit, unlabeled, unbiased. Spirituality and materialism are not incompatible. I like your enthusiasm.
Well some things we agree on and things we disagree on.
I hope you don’t think that I attribute not wearing a veil to being a slut. Neither me or anyone else here thinks that’s the case.
(((I don’t behave like an angel when I wear it and then turn to a devilish whore when I take it off. The veil and any other “modest” attire is just a piece of fabric.)))
I agree that your behavior doesn’t make a 180 degree flip when you take it off but neither me nor any other Muslim suggests that it does. We see it as an extra good deed that pushes towards piety. This by itself does not in any way guarantee piety but it’s a good initiative.
It’s not the veil itself that gives modesty but the covering itself.
Anyways, glad you gave your opinion. I noticed you don’t discuss much about your own beliefs. I take it you’re not a Muslim but what many might call an observing person that’s open to other ideas and ideologies and giving each one a fair chance to share their beliefs. I can definitly respect that since for some reason that has become very rare and uncommon these days.
Anyways it’s always welcoming to have ‘new people’ making comments. Sometimes it gets tiring having the same people make similer comments and trolls that drop nasty one sentence statments and then vanish.
I am muslim actually. However, I choose to discuss things that I can comprehend and that I’ve experienced. Of course, I respect and believe the Quraan teachings but I only talk about things that I understand from it. I totally believe that Quraan is the ultimate guide; however, I don’t memorize its teachings before understanding them and I think that many muslims abide by what they’ve been told about its teachings rather than trying to understand them themselves. I enjoyed this discussion and look forward for more topics. 🙂
Ow okey. Are you a convert? Are you a Quranite?
After the Muhammad lust after his adopted son and had sex with her. It makes sense to be cover in Islam. That from their holiest prophet.
@ Carl Sagan
Really that was the best you could come up with?
long comment is to Atlas. Stew, I’ll watch the vid and reply soon
@ Wonder Junkie
Thanks for telling me that after I read it and had a response written!
It was really refreshing to see this take and the hijab by somebody who I assume from your photo does not dress in this way. It was nice for somebody who does not wear to be able to see it the way many Muslim women who wear the hijab (myself included) do. So thanks for posting this.
If you’re interested in exploring this further academically, I would suggest reading ‘Algeria Unveiled’ by Frantz Fanon in or even ‘What is Veiling’ by Saher Ahmed. Both pieces disvuss the hijab and how it has historically been used by Muslim as a means of asserting agency both in a national context and on a wider, colonial context and are very interesting reads (as far as academic texts go at least!).
Thank you for these word Paul. I’d like you to read one of mine on the same subject here: https://zermeenakhan.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/hijab-an-empowering-choice/
I also humbly invite all those who have commented against the ideology, to have a deeper meaning of what it means to wear a Hijab.