Care to quote a source where that’s permissible in Islam to rape and split families?
Also, fun fact Christian Arabs at Abou Gerbe monastery were the ones who castrated. They then sold to the Turks and Persians:
While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved and emasculated members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte.[49][50] The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.[51]
The eunuch boys were then sold in the Ottoman Empire. The majority of Ottoman eunuchs endured castration at the hands of the Copts at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter.[51] Slave boys were captured from the African Great Lakes region and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan then sold to customers in Egypt.[31][49] During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs off, stuck bamboo catheters into the genital area, then submerged them in sand up to their necks. The recovery rate was 10 percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large profits in contrast to eunuchs from other areas.[52][53][54]
“from the 16th century black eunuchs were in charge of the harem in the Ottoman court, most commonly individuals from Ethiopia or Sudan who had been castrated as children (28). Slave dealers kidnapped some, and some were sold into slavery by their parents. According to Penzer, stopping points were used by the slave exporters, and it was during the halts at such places that the castration of the boys took place (7). According to other reports many of the boys were castrated at a monastery in Upper Egypt where Coptic priests performed the operation
Ohhhh thank you I try not to be. I didn’t realize this wasn’t commonly known in the East African slave trade and assumed I wasn’t writing a peer-reviewed paper.
Easy because they sum the whole thing up. Good thing I quoted from other than Wikipedia in my last post so let’s read that together real quick:
āfrom the 16th century black eunuchs were in charge of the harem in the Ottoman court, most commonly individuals from Ethiopia or Sudan who had been castrated as children (28). Slave dealers kidnapped some, and some were sold into slavery by their parents. According to Penzer, stopping points were used by the slave exporters, and it was during the halts at such places that the castration of the boys took place (7). According to other reports many of the boys were castrated at a monastery in Upper Egypt where Coptic priests performed the operation
The eunuch boys were then sold in the Ottoman Empire. The majority of Ottoman eunuchs endured castration at the hands of the Copts at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter. [27] Slave boys were captured from the African Great Lakes region and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan then sold to customers in Egypt. [19][25] During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs oļ¬, stuck bamboo catheters into the genital area, then submerged them in sand up to their necks. The recovery rate was 10 percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large proļ¬ts in contrast to eunuchs from other areas.
“In the Turkish Empire most of the eunuchs are furnished by the monastery Abou-Gerbe in Upper Egypt where the Coptic priests castrate Nubian and Abyssinian boys at about eight years of age and afterward sell them to the Turkish market. The Coptic priests perform the ‘complete’ operation, that is, they cut away the whole scrotum, testes and penis.” (Henry G. Spooner (1919). The American Journal of Urology and Sexology, Volume 15. The Grafton Press. p. 522)
So yeah as I was saying Christians were the ones “cutting balls off” (as you so eloquently put it). Now again how does it feel to be so ignorant about the world? From what I’ve been told its bliss.
At least you are not denying that Islam-driven Arab slavery was capturing and neutering black africans long before the Europeans or Americans went there.
I thought Islam was supposed to invite the kuffar to Islam first before they are attacked and kidnapped?
I guess they were plotting against Muslims in the middle of the jungle and so they had to be attacked first?
“Care to quote a source where thatās permissible in Islam to rape and split families?”
Care to give me a quote from the Koran where it is forbidden?
In the Koran fighting is enjoined on the Muslim as a perpetual command and there is no limiting context given in some of those passages which would otherwise limit the fighting to a defensive action.
If the married slave woman can be raped by the slavemaster according to the Koran then the marriage and the family is split de facto is it not?
1. Nice try, trying to gloss over that Christians were the ones castrating and enslaving lol. Dude, you’re so dishonest it’s not even funny.
2. Married slaves can’t be raped and a family cannot be spilt, again I challenge you to quote a source that states otherwise.
3. If you weren’t retarded you would know how the slave trade worked. There was little “kidnapping” (even then that wasn’t the Ottomans) African kingdoms sold slaves to the TransAtlantic and Eastern African markets. Coptic Christians would buy and castrate them then sell them at higher prices to the Ottomans.
I am just asking for the law to be clarified and you are evading the question. Your evasion is also an answer, if only indirectly, but still an answer which just confirms what the question implies.
It is not “evasion” your question is illogical using the same example I used previously, you are a rapist then because you can’t prove to me you are not one.
One of the problems with the ethics of Islam is that the Koran teaches that the non-Muslim does not have Allah as his “protector”.
This is the arab clan mentality of Mohammeds day. Everybody had to belong to clan and have someone to protect him. It was seen as natural not blameworthy to attack people who did not have someone powerful enough to give them protection.
Mohammed adopted this cruel and inhumane ethic and wove it in to the fabric of his religion.
So you just got your proof that you asked for stewpot.
Islamic teaching on slavery:
After we have cut your balls off, raped your wife, sold your wife and kids and took your land we will treat you well and do our best to set you free.
@ Erasmus
Care to quote a source where that’s permissible in Islam to rape and split families?
Also, fun fact Christian Arabs at Abou Gerbe monastery were the ones who castrated. They then sold to the Turks and Persians:
While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved and emasculated members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte.[49][50] The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.[51]
The eunuch boys were then sold in the Ottoman Empire. The majority of Ottoman eunuchs endured castration at the hands of the Copts at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter.[51] Slave boys were captured from the African Great Lakes region and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan then sold to customers in Egypt.[31][49] During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs off, stuck bamboo catheters into the genital area, then submerged them in sand up to their necks. The recovery rate was 10 percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large profits in contrast to eunuchs from other areas.[52][53][54]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
“from the 16th century black eunuchs were in charge of the harem in the Ottoman court, most commonly individuals from Ethiopia or Sudan who had been castrated as children (28). Slave dealers kidnapped some, and some were sold into slavery by their parents. According to Penzer, stopping points were used by the slave exporters, and it was during the halts at such places that the castration of the boys took place (7). According to other reports many of the boys were castrated at a monastery in Upper Egypt where Coptic priests performed the operation
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/84/12/4324/2864451
Seriously how does it feel to be wrong and then made to look like a jack@$$ every day?
Why should I believe Wikipedia, or you for that matter?
Because unlike you, Stew is not an ignoramus.
@ QB
Ohhhh thank you I try not to be. I didn’t realize this wasn’t commonly known in the East African slave trade and assumed I wasn’t writing a peer-reviewed paper.
You clearly underestimated the extent of Ignoramus’ ignorance. š
If you don’t believe Wikipedia (in this case, it is correct), then read Bernard Lewis, who was no fan of Muslims.
Race and Slavery in the Middle East: An Historical Enquiry, Oxford University Press, 1990.
And to echo Stew, how does it feel to be made into a jackass everytime you open your mouth? Does ignorance run in your veins?
@ Erasmus
Easy because they sum the whole thing up. Good thing I quoted from other than Wikipedia in my last post so let’s read that together real quick:
āfrom the 16th century black eunuchs were in charge of the harem in the Ottoman court, most commonly individuals from Ethiopia or Sudan who had been castrated as children (28). Slave dealers kidnapped some, and some were sold into slavery by their parents. According to Penzer, stopping points were used by the slave exporters, and it was during the halts at such places that the castration of the boys took place (7). According to other reports many of the boys were castrated at a monastery in Upper Egypt where Coptic priests performed the operation
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/84/12/4324/2864451
But since you want to play this game:
The eunuch boys were then sold in the Ottoman Empire. The majority of Ottoman eunuchs endured castration at the hands of the Copts at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter. [27] Slave boys were captured from the African Great Lakes region and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan then sold to customers in Egypt. [19][25] During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs oļ¬, stuck bamboo catheters into the genital area, then submerged them in sand up to their necks. The recovery rate was 10 percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large proļ¬ts in contrast to eunuchs from other areas.
https://www.academia.edu/28983890/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
“In the Turkish Empire most of the eunuchs are furnished by the monastery Abou-Gerbe in Upper Egypt where the Coptic priests castrate Nubian and Abyssinian boys at about eight years of age and afterward sell them to the Turkish market. The Coptic priests perform the ‘complete’ operation, that is, they cut away the whole scrotum, testes and penis.” (Henry G. Spooner (1919). The American Journal of Urology and Sexology, Volume 15. The Grafton Press. p. 522)
https://books.google.com/books?id=ilIKAQAAMAAJ&q=the+Coptic+priests+castrate+Nubian+and+Abyssinian+slave+boys+at+about+8+years+of+age+and+afterward+sell+them+to+the+Turkish+market.+Turks+in+Asia+Minor+are+also+partly+supplied+by+Circassian+eunuchs.+The+Coptic+priests+before&hl=en#v=snippet&q=the%20Coptic%20priests%20castrate%20Nubian%20and%20Abyssinian%20slave%20boys%20at%20about%208%20years%20of%20age%20and%20afterward%20sell%20them%20to%20the%20Turkish%20market.%20Turks%20in%20Asia%20Minor%20are%20also%20partly%20supplied%20by%20Circassian%20eunuchs.%20The%20Coptic%20priests%20before&f=false
So yeah as I was saying Christians were the ones “cutting balls off” (as you so eloquently put it). Now again how does it feel to be so ignorant about the world? From what I’ve been told its bliss.
@ QB
Indeed I did. It shalt happen again…
At least you are not denying that Islam-driven Arab slavery was capturing and neutering black africans long before the Europeans or Americans went there.
I thought Islam was supposed to invite the kuffar to Islam first before they are attacked and kidnapped?
I guess they were plotting against Muslims in the middle of the jungle and so they had to be attacked first?
@stewpot
“Care to quote a source where thatās permissible in Islam to rape and split families?”
Care to give me a quote from the Koran where it is forbidden?
In the Koran fighting is enjoined on the Muslim as a perpetual command and there is no limiting context given in some of those passages which would otherwise limit the fighting to a defensive action.
If the married slave woman can be raped by the slavemaster according to the Koran then the marriage and the family is split de facto is it not?
@ Erasmus
1. Nice try, trying to gloss over that Christians were the ones castrating and enslaving lol. Dude, you’re so dishonest it’s not even funny.
2. Married slaves can’t be raped and a family cannot be spilt, again I challenge you to quote a source that states otherwise.
3. If you weren’t retarded you would know how the slave trade worked. There was little “kidnapping” (even then that wasn’t the Ottomans) African kingdoms sold slaves to the TransAtlantic and Eastern African markets. Coptic Christians would buy and castrate them then sell them at higher prices to the Ottomans.
@stewpot
I am still waiting for a command from the koran which forbids the kidnapping, mutilation, rape or sale of a non-Muslim.
@ Erasmus
No idea who “Stewpot” is but I’ll go ahead and answer for him because you and I were talking.
I don’t have to prove a negative this would be equivalent to in a court of law:
Lawyer: Erasmus you’re a rapist.
Erasmus: No I’m not.
Lawyer: Prove that you’re not a rapist
The burden of proof is on you because you made the claim of permissibility.
Ignoramus always seems to ask others to prove a negative.
I am just asking for the law to be clarified and you are evading the question. Your evasion is also an answer, if only indirectly, but still an answer which just confirms what the question implies.
@ Erasmus
It is not “evasion” your question is illogical using the same example I used previously, you are a rapist then because you can’t prove to me you are not one.
Moron, you made the accusation. Stew is asking for your proof. So go on. Stop evading and answer the question.
One of the problems with the ethics of Islam is that the Koran teaches that the non-Muslim does not have Allah as his “protector”.
This is the arab clan mentality of Mohammeds day. Everybody had to belong to clan and have someone to protect him. It was seen as natural not blameworthy to attack people who did not have someone powerful enough to give them protection.
Mohammed adopted this cruel and inhumane ethic and wove it in to the fabric of his religion.
So you just got your proof that you asked for stewpot.
@ Eras(s)mus
Wow, that sure was a lot of assumption on your part. Care to list a source supporting your position?
PS Multiple people have family protection even nowadays (and the majority of human history)
Ask Eras(s)mus to prove a negative. š