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  1. If I see people circling a stone, bowing five times a day towards a stone, throwing pebbles at a stone or kissing a stone and I follow the evidence to the best explanation I must assume they are idiots.

    Thats how methodological naturalism works for me.

    • @ Erasmus

      Oh so do you think when:

      Jacob (as) poured and rubbed oil on a stone and named it (Genesis 28:19, 35:14) or made various altars out of a stone (Genesis 31:35)

      Or Joshua(as) placed a stone as a witness to the Covenant (Joshua 24:26-27) and used one be a memorial to commemorate a special event (Joshua 4)

      That they we’re idiots as well? You see you are so far removed from the religion of Abraham(as) you didn’t realize they use stones to commemorate important events and the Covenant. See what happens when you say foolish things?

    • And bowing down towards a temple is also for idiots perhaps:
      Psalm 138:2
      I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your unfailing love and your faithfulness, for you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame.

      • @ Atlas
        But wait there’s more! Let’s look at what the prophet Samuel(as) did:

        Then Samuel took a stone and set it up between Mizpah and Shen. He named it the stone of help saying, “Thus far the Lord has helped us.” (1 Samuel 7:12)

        The Jewish Encyclopedia says:
        “Sacred stones are mentioned with great frequency in the Old Testament..”

        http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14059-stone-and-stone-worship

        Upon further research I found this answer when someone asked do Jews pray toward any direction like Muslims they responded:

        “Jews outside of Israel pray in the direction of Israel, Jews in Israel pray in the direction of Jerusalem, Jews in Jerusalem pray in the direction of the Temple Mount, Jews on the Temple Mount pray in the direction of the Holy of Holies.

        We don’t know exactly where the Holy of Holies stood, but we know the Foundation Stone was located within it. Today the Foundation Stone lies under the Dome of the Rock.”

        https://www.judaism-islam.com/questions/do-jews-face-i-a-direction-when-praying/

        The Jews pray towards what is known as the Foundation Stone which is again mentioned in Erasmus’s books:

        Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am the one who has laid as a foundation in Zion, a stone, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, of a sure foundation: ‘Whoever believes will not be in haste.’ (Isaiah 28:16 )

        Facing Jerusalem in prayer is mentioned as well:

        Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. (Daniel 6:10)

        And oh my what is this?

        Bowing
        In the Bible, Daniel expressed his devotion to God when he “kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously” (Daniel 6:11). Liturgical scholar Uri Ehrlich notes that Daniel’s bows would have been full prostrations, with almost his entire body thrust on the ground, as was standard in ancient Israel.

        https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/physical-movement-in-jewish-prayer/

        Let’s take a look at what that looks like:

        From a Jewish site scroll to bowing
        http://www.jewfaq.org/liturgy.htm

        The site above mentions the book: To Pray as a Jew by Hayim Donin. Here is the pic of their prayer before they started with their innovations:
        http://resizeme.club/picresize-158_153158.html

        Now compare to Muslims:
        http://resizeme.club/picresize-158_153158.html

        https://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/Jews-prayed-like-Muslims.htm

        Or if you just want it in video form
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrWyhVwpURQ

        So I’ll be a monkey’s uncle would you look at that apparently all the major Biblical figures in Erasmus’s Bible are idiots according to him “they bowed to stones” just like us Muslims. It’s almost like he doesn’t know what the heck he’s talking about and there is only one idot here today. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

        What do you guys think?

      • LOL poor Erasmus

      • Go easy on him. His head is head is filled with rocks. Pun intended.

      • Iggy has nuked! Man that epic!

  2. So the Kaaba is a holy temple now?

    “made various altars out of a stone (Genesis 31:35)”

    So the Kaaba is an altar?

    You guys just confirm that you are pagans through and through.

    Keep throwing stones at the devil. I am sure he is just waiting for you pagans to show up.

    • The Kaaba is not the Black stone smh…

      And yes the area is where mass sacrifices take place. This is why the Prophet’s(saw) grandfather is famous because he found the Zam-zam well between some animal sacrifices.

      Still a major spot
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RffkrgI-Fdw

      Also, as I noted in the mountain of evidence provided not all the stones in the Bible are altars so that still refutes nothing. So are all the Biblical figures pagans as well because the prayed towards the Foundation Stone in Jerusalem? Again none of these tones can help or harm, like the Black tone it is simply a marker to an event.

      And again you worship 3 gods which is ACTUAL paganism.

    • “So the Kaaba is a holy temple now?”

      Is this guy trying to be stupid? You claim bowing down towards Kabaa is paganism while your bible has people bowing down to temples which isn’t considered paganism.

    • No response from Iggy once again! This guy’s impotence and idiocy are too much!

  3. “So are all the Biblical figures pagans as well because the prayed towards the Foundation Stone in Jerusalem?”

    The temple was the place where God dwelled between the Cherubim in the holy place. There is no comparison with your pagan shrine. Pagan gods need pagan means of receiving worship.

    • @ Erasmus

      So you can’t refute that The Foundation Stone is in the Temple itself and NOT the Temple huh? The Foundation Stone is not the Temple like how the Kaaba is not the Black Stone. Here’s a video to explain what they are praying towards:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjKBMHcLQfo

      Notice they have the EXACT SAME THING in the Temple as in Masjid AL HAram. Because again you know nothing about your religion is not everybody else’ problem.

      Finally you literally just said God was dwelling on Earth in the Temple but are calling me the pagan? According to your text God was having incense and animal sacrifices 24/7 so who is receiving “pagan means of worship”? Become a Muslim.

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