In this 4 minute video, one of the world’s leading scholars, Professor Hurtado, traces the many facets of the “Son of Man” debate, and provides an up-to-date assessment of recent scholarship on the topic.
Except Jesus Himself quotes from Daniel 7:13-14 (in Mark 14:62; Matthew 26:64) and says He is that Son of Man, the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One (God) !!
60 The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?”
61 But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest *said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
64 You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
65 Some began to spit at Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him with their fists, and to say to Him, “Prophesy!” And the officers received Him with slaps in the face.
Mark 14:60-65
And other NT writers, also Jews, also interpreted “the Son of Man” as Jesus fulfilling the prophesies of Daniel.
Revelation 1:7
Revelation 1:12-16
So, Hurtado should have said, “it is not there in Jewish commentaries of 2nd Temple Judaism, EXCEPT for the Jewish interpreters who wrote NT books” !!!
Yes, I did; and Hurtado cited scholarship, mentioned Collins, 4 Ezra, Ethiopiac version of one of the Jewish sources; and said that “it is non-existent in second temple Judaism”
Which is why I wrote: (seems it is you who did not read my quote above)
So, Hurtado should have said, “it is not there in Jewish commentaries of 2nd Temple Judaism, EXCEPT for the Jewish interpreters who wrote NT books” !!!
It is far from certain that they are the actual words of Jesus. We have nothing from Jesus’s own hand. Or anyone else who says they saw the crucifixion.
Mark is the earliest gospel, as you and most all scholars agree. It seems disingenuous of you to use Mark in the way you do (so many times in all three of your blogs over the past some 8 or 9 years) against John or Paul, yet when the material is against Islam, then you resort to, “it is uncertain that those are the actual words of Jesus”.
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَسْتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ حَتَّىٰ تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۗ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا ۖ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ – 5:68
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
“O people of the Scripture” = the Christians and Jews at the time of Muhammad held to the same Scriptures that we have today. (even with all the textual variants, they are basically the same thing)
Except Jesus Himself quotes from Daniel 7:13-14 (in Mark 14:62; Matthew 26:64) and says He is that Son of Man, the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One (God) !!
60 The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?”
61 But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest *said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
64 You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
65 Some began to spit at Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him with their fists, and to say to Him, “Prophesy!” And the officers received Him with slaps in the face.
Mark 14:60-65
And other NT writers, also Jews, also interpreted “the Son of Man” as Jesus fulfilling the prophesies of Daniel.
Revelation 1:7
Revelation 1:12-16
So, Hurtado should have said, “it is not there in Jewish commentaries of 2nd Temple Judaism, EXCEPT for the Jewish interpreters who wrote NT books” !!!
The New Testament constantly testifies that Jesus is both the Son of Man and the Son of God.
2 natures in one person.
Fully consistent with Nicea and Chalcedon. Amazing. I wonder where they got that from? Oh yeah, the New Testament, the true Injeel.
انجیل حقیقی
did you even watch the video? What does son of man mean
Yes, I watched it. It is clear that Jesus and NT writers are referring to Daniel 7.
No you didn’t.
Yes I did.
Yes, I did; and Hurtado cited scholarship, mentioned Collins, 4 Ezra, Ethiopiac version of one of the Jewish sources; and said that “it is non-existent in second temple Judaism”
Which is why I wrote: (seems it is you who did not read my quote above)
So, Hurtado should have said, “it is not there in Jewish commentaries of 2nd Temple Judaism, EXCEPT for the Jewish interpreters who wrote NT books” !!!
Jewish writers of the NT are also a part of 2nd Temple Judaism interpretation.
No. They are mostly apostates – esp Paul.
It is far from certain that they are the actual words of Jesus. We have nothing from Jesus’s own hand. Or anyone else who says they saw the crucifixion.
Mark is the earliest gospel, as you and most all scholars agree. It seems disingenuous of you to use Mark in the way you do (so many times in all three of your blogs over the past some 8 or 9 years) against John or Paul, yet when the material is against Islam, then you resort to, “it is uncertain that those are the actual words of Jesus”.
Of course they are His actual historical words.
‘Of course they are His actual historical words.’ PROVE IT.
Qur’an 10:94
Qur’an 5:47
Qur’an 5:68
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَسْتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ حَتَّىٰ تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۗ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا ۖ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ – 5:68
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
“O people of the Scripture” = the Christians and Jews at the time of Muhammad held to the same Scriptures that we have today. (even with all the textual variants, they are basically the same thing)
so you are relying on the truth of the Quran as your proof? LOLOL
A very helpful video, thanks for sharing.