If you think the Qur’an is the most violent scripture, think again. The Bible is by far the most violent book endorsing genocide and mass murder, as this top Christian historian candidly admits. And Christians are still committing genocide inspired by Bible texts. The lecture discusses some of them. Professor Philip Jenkins is the co-director of the Program of Historical Studies of Religion at Baylor University.
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One difference is that the bible was commanding those who have long since died to do those violent things.
The koran and the hadith are commanding all living Muslims in perpetuity to do violent things to non-Muslims.
Would God command people to do something that he thought was wrong? Besides the Bible commands its followers to kill people such as stoning people for adultery, apostasy etc
The second statement about the Qur’an, Hadith, and violence needs to be unpacked. Can you provide some examples of where God and Muhammad command “all living Muslims in perpetuity to do violent things to non-Muslims”?
Erasmus, have you not understood what Professer Jenkins here is saying?
In answer to your second paragraph “The koran and the hadith are commanding all living Muslims in perpetuity to do violent things to non-Muslims.” The Quran is largely a defence against attack according to Professor Jenkins and others including non-Muslim scholars.
Many Muslim scholars have already answered your second paragraph Erasmus, I do hope you finally understand what Islamic scholars are saying day in day out for the past 18 years and more on why certain terrorists do not represent Islam or the Holy book.
In response to your first paragraph “One difference is that the bible was commanding those who have long since died to do those violent things.” Really Erasmus? This is a statement by Professor Jenkins-
“By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D, the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane” Jenkins says. “Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide.”
It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: “And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,” God says through the prophet Samuel. “But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.
“In other words,” Jenkins says, “Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. (Now in response to your “the bible was commanding those who have long since died to do those violent things” Erasmus) It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians – not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God’s law if you do not.” Did you get that Erasmus?
Jenkins also rightfully notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. (Did you also get that Erasmus? So much for your “long since died” passages). Also in the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.
Erasmus, there are many other examples even as recent as the 20th century with the genocide against the Jewish people of Europe with perpetrators using Bible reference to justify the murder of the millions of Jewish people to “avenge” what they believed happened to Christ. And don’t be ridiculous to ask me to quote a certain Adolf Hitler for his statements on numerous occasions as you should already be aware.
Erasmus, either correct yourself or sling your hook because it is getting tiring dealing with sectarian narrow-minded trolls like you online.
It’s funny and ironic that he calls himself Erasmus after a learned scholar!
Ignoramus thinks that killing babies is excused as long as it happened a long time ago. Such is the monstrous and insidious influence of Christianity on his mind.
Gotta take the stab, the lad’s unknowingly accusing his god of having done something wrong at some point…
A good question to ask is what is the fate of those babies that were slaughtered by the Biblical hordes? Do they go to heaven or hell? They never got a chance to accept Jesus as their savior. So what is their fate?
Christians will give different answers to this question. Some will say “of course the babies will go to heaven”. Others will say they will be in Limbo. Others will say “I don’t know”, and still others will say “it depends”. The latter answer is based on the concept of “election”. With election is mind, the final destination will depend on which babies are “elected” and which ones “reprobate”. The latter will not be saved.
Note the eerie silence by the Christian commenters. The fate of innocent babies stumps the Christians, but their silence speaks volumes.